Masculine Abortion?

[Methos]

From your statements VRWCAgent, I believe you are the chivalrous, and have the belief that a woman can do no wrong.

Without abortion in the picture, the woman doesn't have an out at all regarding her parental responsibility

And what of adoption, is that not an out a woman has?

I'm surprised that you find no fault in the fact she may have tricked him.

 

[El_Machinae]

I understand why society expects the man in this cse to make regular payments for child support, but morally, he is not at wrong for feeling cheated.

I trimmed down part to agree.

*I* want him to pay (to reduce the child's abandonment), but I can see how he thinks that it sucks.

 

[bhsup]

From your statements VRWCAgent, I believe you are the chivalrous, and have the belief that a woman can do no wrong.

I'll admit that I tend to be far more critical of failures of men living up to what I view as appropriate behavior, and far more forgiving of ladies who happen to slip. No denying that.

And what of adoption, is that not an out a woman has?

Yes, it is, but I don't think it should be a forced issue. If she wants to keep it, she should be allowed to keep it as long as she isn't found to be an unfit mother, and the father should suck it up, be the man, and help support the child.

I'm surprised that you find no fault in the fact she may have tricked him.

I wouldn't go that far. It's a pretty dirty thing to do, but it's done and there is now a helpless innocent child that needs love and support, not parent(s) trying to escape responsibility for it.

Here's the thing. Even if she hadn't been lying and was on the pill, there is still a chance she could have become pregnant. Even if sex isn't about procreation, there is no such thing as totally risk-free (regarding pregnancy) sex unless there is a castration or hysterectomy (spelling?) involved. NO birth control method is 100% infallible, so every man should always be prepared to accept the responsibility of fatherhood every time they engage in sex. Either that, or be celibate.

 

[mdwh]

Yes, it is, but I don't think it should be a forced issue. If she wants to keep it, she should be allowed to keep it as long as she isn't found to be an unfit mother, and the father should suck it up, be the man, and help support the child.

And it should work the other way too, if the father wants it, but the mother doesn't?

Bearing in mind we also live in a world where abortion is legal (though I'm guessing you think it shouldn't be).

I'm still curious if anyone saying "he shouldn't have had sex" is also not against abortion.

 

[bhsup]

You're talking financial support? Well yeah, it should, but I'm also a bit old fashioned and think a father should ensure his family is provided for, so the bulk of the financial burden falls on him.

 

[emzie]

Sex is generally NOT about having children.

And I said as much? Nevertheless, biologically, sex = children. Pretend it's like playing poker. Don't bet if you're not ready to loose.

 

[Stolen Rutters]

...Even if sex isn't about procreation, there is no such thing as totally risk-free (regarding pregnancy) sex unless there is a castration or hysterectomy (spelling?) involved...

Or after menopause...

 

[Mr Moron]

Well, if abortion isn't mentioned at all anywhere, then that only makes my argument that much stronger. Without abortion in the picture, the woman doesn't have an out at all regarding her parental responsibility, so where does the guy get off thinking he should have one? Because she may have tricked him? Again, he needs to be a real man and step up and accept responsibility for his actions.

The only thing it takes to make a "Real" Man, the Y chromosome. Anything else has much less to do with what makes Man and Man and more to do with how he fits into your image of a "Man". Those kinds of standards really should not have place in lawmaking.

The fact is you can' take abortion out of the picture. That is an option that will always be legally available to the woman. The man needs something comparable, that is equality.

 

[mdwh]

You're talking financial support? Well yeah, it should, but I'm also a bit old fashioned and think a father should ensure his family is provided for, so the bulk of the financial burden falls on him.

Well I'm talking whichever support. What I was thinking is that if the father wants the child, but the mother doesn't, the father would have custody, but in that case the mother has to contribute financially.

Now yes, you could be old fashioned, and the father would pay for it, but meanwhile that means the mother is the one who has to bring up the child. I'm not sure that forcing someone to look after a child is anywhere near as good an idea as forcing them to pay, though.

But I'd rather have equality over old-fashioned inequality - and I'm sure most women would too, overall.

 

[mdwh]

And I said as much? Nevertheless, biologically, sex = children. Pretend it's like playing poker. Don't bet if you're not ready to loose.

It's like playing poker with someone who can get out and not pay if they lose, but you still have to pay if you lose.