[RD] Mass protests in Iran

[caketastydelish]

You don't have a defenseless family in the country, potentially being murdered. I do.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Sorry to hear, that sucks

 

[Lexicus]

While I criticize U.S. foreign policy on a regular basis (both on cfc and elsewhere) I think that attitude is missing the point. The people of Iran don’t have the luxury of worrying about how their government affects things in other parts of the world. Their immediate problem is an oppressive regime who has made their lives miserable. Suicide rates in Iran over the past year or so have skyrocketed because of how awful it is to live there, and mismanagement from the government caused this mess. From their oppression of women and lbgt people to the awful economy and water shortage. That U.S. foreign policy is bad hardly makes this regime the heroes.

Unfortunately though there is no way that the toppling of the Islamic Republic at this time (particularly directly caused by the US and/or Israel) doesn't lead to even worse things.

edit: it would be like approving of Stalin because he's enemies with Hitler.

The US did in fact ally with Stalin against Hitler though so maybe I'm missing your point here?

 

[Kaitzilla]

Here is the latest I could find.

It seems the protests are losing steam as the authorities crack down with bullets.

Hundreds dead.
Probably a lot more.

Iran protests: Eyewitnesses describe deadly crackdown across country

The BBC has received eyewitness accounts of security forces attacking anti-government protesters across the country.

www.bbc.com

MSN

The US military is asking for more time.

If Trump intervenes, there are lots of US bases in the region that might be struck with missiles.

Israel is also on high alert.


I'm not sure what will happen.

The internet and phone blackout since Thursday makes news sparse.
They are even jamming Starlink enough to inflict up to 80% packet loss.
So text messages and pictures can make it, but not videos I think.

 

[Lexicus]

Have to feel bad for the Iranians, risking their lives (and evidently paying with their lives) to oppose an admittedly terrible regime, but what they're fighting for is to turn their country into, at best, a second Syria, more likely a second Libya.

 

[Kaitzilla]

Here comes more USA tariff stuff.

Trump says any country doing business with Iran will face 25% U.S. tariff

Trump's tariff post targeting Iran comes as the oil-rich country struggles to suppress an ongoing swell of massive anti-government protests.

www.cnbc.com

25% on all countries that do business with Iran.

 

[Arwon]

Have to feel bad for the Iranians, risking their lives (and evidently paying with their lives) to oppose an admittedly terrible regime, but what they're fighting for is to turn their country into, at best, a second Syria, more likely a second Libya.

I don't think this is necessarily set in stone, civil wars aren't the only method by which mass protests cause substantial political change. Sometimes there's enough elite and military defections to make it a fait accompli.

 

[Lexicus]

I don't think this is necessarily set in stone, civil wars aren't the only method by which mass protests cause substantial political change. Sometimes there's enough elite and military defections to make it a fait accompli.

That isn't really what I'm referring to: if anyone thinks the US and Israel are going to allow a stable, sovereign and democratic Iran to emerge, please share the drugs you're using with me. The reference to Syria was not to the civil war but to the pro-Zionist al Qaeda government they have now.

 

[Joij21]

if anyone thinks the US and Israel are going to allow a stable, sovereign and democratic Iran to emerge, please share the drugs you're using with me.

Why wouldn't Israel want a democratic Iran to emerge? It would be better than the Hamas supporting one.

 

[caketastydelish]

Iran gets sanctioned for being anti-Israel, which hurts the economy. Most Iranians care more about the economy than being anti Israel.

 

[caketastydelish]

Here is the latest I could find.

It seems the protests are losing steam as the authorities crack down with bullets.

I can't find proof the protests are losing steam. But I've heard the protestors are explicitly asking Trump for help, which has changed my opinion even more that the US needs a military response.

 

[Birdjaguar]

I don't think the US will intervene. Too risky, no sure victory; Not enough immediate "Trump is King" response.

 

[Broken_Erika]

Here is the latest I could find.

It seems the protests are losing steam as the authorities crack down with bullets.

Hundreds dead.
Probably a lot more.

Iran protests: Eyewitnesses describe deadly crackdown across country

The BBC has received eyewitness accounts of security forces attacking anti-government protesters across the country.

www.bbc.com

A source in Rasht told BBC Persian that 70 bodies of protesters were transferred to a hospital mortuary in the city on Thursday. According to the source, security forces demanded "payment for bullets" before releasing bodies to families.

 

[caketastydelish]

They're literally asking people to pay for their murdered family members. Which tells you all you need to know about the regime.

 

[Klaus Hergersheimer]

I can't find proof the protests are losing steam. But I've heard the protestors are explicitly asking Trump for help, which has changed my opinion even more that the US needs a military response.

Who would the US support? Who has stood out with a vision of what a post-ayatollah would look like? Reza Pahlavi isn't even in the country...
I wish the protestors well but I don't know what they're articulating really besides they don't like the government.

 

[Joij21]

I don't think the US will intervene. Too risky, no sure victory; Not enough immediate "Trump is King" response.

He intervened past summer. Nothings off the table.

 

[Arwon]

Why wouldn't Israel want a democratic Iran to emerge? It would be better than the Hamas supporting one.

The assumption that these are mutually exclusive is a huge leap here. The expressed democratic will of plenty of countries populations will be thoroughly anti Israel, especially in this part of the world.

 

[Birdjaguar]

He intervened past summer. Nothings off the table.

"Nothings off the table." is just Trump's newest go to line. Previously he enjoyed saying: In two weeks...

 

[Arwon]

I don't think the US will intervene. Too risky, no sure victory; Not enough immediate "Trump is King" response.

It's a mountainous country the size of Queensland, 3x the size of Texas or Ukraine, with 90 million people. Not the sort of place even the US can "just intervene" in.

Any sort of war would be a serious, bloody undertaking.

 

[Birdjaguar]

It's a mountainous country the size of Queensland, 3x the size of Texas or Ukraine, with 90 million people. Not the sort of place even the US can "just intervene" in.

Any sort of war would be a serious, bloody undertaking.

Exactly and size is only the background of the problem. Bombing alone won't do it.