Mass Shooting in Chicago

[AmazonQueen]

6 people have been killed at a 4th July Parade in Chicago.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/worl...sedgntp&cvid=44abf6d61a8e47e5be26e6be91d81bc1

I don't have the words for this.

 

[Senethro]

Thats bad. The gunman seems to be the careful type. Previous military or law enforcement experience?

 

[Remorseless1]

We're no longer safe ...
* in a grocery store
* in a shopping mall
* in a house of worship
* your workplace
* in a hospital
* in a school
* in your residence
* at an amusement park
* at the beach
* while carrying a firearm
* driving on the road

Some say what we need is a goid guy with a gun. There are more firearms in the US than there are people. Its effing madness.

 

[Narz]

Even @ a yoga studio. I never thought they're be a mass shooting there but there was a few years ago

 

[Birdjaguar]

Hey, the GOP says our 400 million guns are keeping use safer. All those shootings are the good guys with guns shooting bad guys with and without guns.

 

[Kyriakos]

From the article:

"You have a tragic mass act of violence that was random here today at a community event where people were gathered to celebrate, and the offender has not been apprehended thus far," he said.

How is this "random" when the shooter clearly resents/ doesn't care about the country itself (national holiday) as well as identifies citizens he doesn't know as in unity with the country. In theory they might altogether identify patriotism as dumb, but Senethro might be right about this person being tied somehow to a professional armed branch (which would make gun restrictions not apply to them anyway).

"Very random, very intentional and a very sad day."

Random sort of is the opposite of intentional.

 

[El_Machinae]

Isn't this about the 19th mass shooting in Chicago this year? I guess this one is getting headlines, probably because of the victims?

 

[TheMeInTeam]

my "words" for this are if the dozens of mass shootings that didn't make national news weren't considered newsworthy, this one isn't either.

if the response to this is to implement policy against rifles, that response is part of the problem.

 

[Birdjaguar]

The appropriate response is to vote every republican out of office.

 

[Kaitzilla]

6 people have been killed at a 4th July Parade in Chicago.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/worl...sedgntp&cvid=44abf6d61a8e47e5be26e6be91d81bc1

I don't have the words for this.

Some more info on the suspect.
Robert Crimo III: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

#2 is quite disturbing if he really did this horrible thing to people at a 4th parade.

 

[Narz]

Far right religious terrorist, unsurprising.

Hopefully they keep him alive so they can explore his psychology more

Death penalty might feel good revenge-wise but opportunity is missed to understand and perhaps prevent this sort of thing.

 

[Gorbles]

if the response to this is to implement policy against rifles, that response is part of the problem.

I don't see how limiting access to rifles is going to contribute to mass shootings.

Unless you're talking about a different problem, in which case you should probably clarify what.

 

[Samson]

Random sort of is the opposite of intentional.

I also think the use of "random" is both incorrect and dangerous. I think it is being used as opposite of targeted, in the same way as they are reporting it is not terror related. The message is "just some rando with a gun, not a terrorist, nothing that could be done". If he was a supporter of some more demonised ideology rather than trump, but did the exact same thing, they would be calling it terrorism and hunting for reasons why he did it where he did.

 

[sherbz]

USA averages 1 mass shooting per week so far this year. Quite amazing really. The sad thing is, is that even if gun controls come in, it will take about a generation for things to get better. Which means that any restrictions will be torpedoed by opponents the minute another mass shooting inevitably happens.

 

[Samson]

USA averages 1 mass shooting per week so far this year.

Depending on your definition it is much more than that. This is a graphic from the last one that really hit the news:

Spoiler The trend is disturbing :

 

[AmazonQueen]

my "words" for this are if the dozens of mass shootings that didn't make national news weren't considered newsworthy, this one isn't either.

if the response to this is to implement policy against rifles, that response is part of the problem.

Restrictions on rifles isn't a total solution but it is part of the solution. Accepting mass shootings as normal and unavoidable is part of the problem.

 

[Kyriakos]

So, did the shooter have anti-parade sentiments? Or something more convoluted? One would expect nationalist groups to be taking part in a few of the parades, so the republican angle on the surface is counter-intuitive.

A trending image from the same day's parade, but in Boston:

The group is called "the patriot front". See, everyone can like masks...

 

[TheMeInTeam]

The appropriate response is to vote every republican out of office.

nice way to stick your head in the sand.

USA averages 1 mass shooting per week so far this year.

depends what you count as a "mass shooting". when you involve gangs/domestic shootings with enough people, it's probably more?

Restrictions on rifles isn't a total solution but it is part of the solution.

not backed by reality. not as a causal factor, and certainly not as a means to prevent mass shootings.

vast majority of "news-worthy" mass shootings happen with rifles that were already illegally possessed. you can't make them more illegal. the common refrain from some here is that cutting into legal ownership is bound to decrease the number of weapons and thus eventually amount of illegally operated weapons. it's not only a pipe dream, it implies actively infringing rights of people who obey the law.

it might instead be useful to look at why mass shootings of this nature happen more in past 1-2 decades than they did in say 1970s or earlier. rifles suited to this purpose have been around longer than we've been alive, and in huge numbers. it's not meaningfully easier to get them now than 50 years ago. but we observe more shootings of this particular nature now.

 

[Samson]

not backed by reality. not as a causal factor, and certainly not as a means to prevent mass shootings.

If it would stop one mass shooting then it could be part of the solution.

vast majority of "news-worthy" mass shootings happen with rifles that were already illegally possessed. you can't make them more illegal. the common refrain from some here is that cutting into legal ownership is bound to decrease the number of weapons and thus eventually amount of illegally operated weapons. it's not only a pipe dream, it implies actively infringing rights of people who obey the law.

You can make stuff illegal more illegal. You can increase the penalties, you can increase the enforcement and you can make more people liable.

it might instead be useful to look at why mass shootings of this nature happen more in past 1-2 decades than they did in say 1970s or earlier. rifles suited to this purpose have been around longer than we've been alive, and in huge numbers.

There are changes in society that have made this sort of thing more common. However having loads of guns really is not helping.

Spoiler Guns per capita is going up :

 

[AmazonQueen]

not backed by reality. not as a causal factor, and certainly not as a means to prevent mass shootings.

vast majority of "news-worthy" mass shootings happen with rifles that were already illegally possessed. you can't make them more illegal. the common refrain from some here is that cutting into legal ownership is bound to decrease the number of weapons and thus eventually amount of illegally operated weapons. it's not only a pipe dream, it implies actively infringing rights of people who obey the law.

it might instead be useful to look at why mass shootings of this nature happen more in past 1-2 decades than they did in say 1970s or earlier. rifles suited to this purpose have been around longer than we've been alive, and in huge numbers. it's not meaningfully easier to get them now than 50 years ago. but we observe more shootings of this particular nature now.

Source?
The sources I have found indicates most guns used in mass shootings were legally obtained.

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/s...-used-mass-shootings-obtained-legally-n474441

https://www.statista.com/statistics/476461/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-legality-of-shooters-weapons/