Rocco.40
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you can try, but it shouldn't be needed normally...
[MoO] Master of Orion 2 unofficial patch
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Bladrov
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That's what I thought. I had no trouble installing previous patches in Win10. I'll try it, of course; can't hurt. Any other suggestions?
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not atm, sadly, except something maybe changed on your system configuration?
nothing major changed from patch 1.50.19 thru 1.50.21.
if .19 or .20 worked, can't see why .21 would be different.
Bladrov
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Only thing I can think of that might have changed is that they (maybe?) upgraded to 22H2 in the meantime.
Another possibility might be that I got a bad download. I'll try downloading it again to see if it works this time.
Another possibility might be that I got a bad download. I'll try downloading it again to see if it works this time.
Bladrov
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Sure enough that was it--I downloaded again and it installed fine.
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Kadence
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Absolutely excellent mod! I especially love the custom build queues, they are great 
Thank you for contributing so much to the MoO2 community.
I have a couple of questions, if anyone can answer them.
1) When I set colonies to housing, the new population sometimes show up as farmers, even if the colony has no farmers. This causes me a lot of micro-management issues where later where I might have many colonies set to housing, I always have to scroll through and move over any farmers to production or science. It seems this doesn't always happen, I don't know what it's based on.
I don't suppose there's any way using this mod, to change this? Where the new population from housing is distributed based on the existing population's jobs, rather than going to farming, when there are no farmers.
2) Is there any way to alter the Auto Build? The build queues are limited by the number of slots, I was wondering if there way a way to alter the default Auto Build, which doesn't seem very good IMO. And thus create a longer queue.
Also, I think the AI Auto Build supposedly takes some colony specific factors into account? Someone on this thread says:
Thank you for contributing so much to the MoO2 community.I have a couple of questions, if anyone can answer them.
1) When I set colonies to housing, the new population sometimes show up as farmers, even if the colony has no farmers. This causes me a lot of micro-management issues where later where I might have many colonies set to housing, I always have to scroll through and move over any farmers to production or science. It seems this doesn't always happen, I don't know what it's based on.
I don't suppose there's any way using this mod, to change this? Where the new population from housing is distributed based on the existing population's jobs, rather than going to farming, when there are no farmers.
2) Is there any way to alter the Auto Build? The build queues are limited by the number of slots, I was wondering if there way a way to alter the default Auto Build, which doesn't seem very good IMO. And thus create a longer queue.
Also, I think the AI Auto Build supposedly takes some colony specific factors into account? Someone on this thread says:
Also this thread:
Is there any way to make colony specific build queues, like for instance not building Robotic Factories on poor/ultra poor planets, or only building Recyclotron on 6+ population planets? I don't know if this mod can be made to do anything like that or not.
Bladrov
Warlord
Love it! Thanks--and I see this one makes more changes than 1.50.21 did, too.
The timing's good, since my son's been playing it lately. It's fun seeing him take up this old favorite of mine.
The timing's good, since my son's been playing it lately. It's fun seeing him take up this old favorite of mine.
Bladrov
Warlord
Thanks, good to see work still being done on it! Looking forward to playing tonight.
Bladrov
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I'm in my second game now, and I've noticed that the Orion Senate never convenes. Is there something I need to select or enable?
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1.50 didn't change anything in that department. So mebbe there's just 1 opponent left or 1v1 game? In that case there's no more council (need at least 3 players to happen).
Bladrov
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I don't think that's it. I played a full game with 5 opponents and never saw the Senate. I was almost to the point of researching Advanced Technologies, so it's not like the game just ended too soon to see it, and I had more than one opponent well into the game. I thought maybe there was a setting in an .ini file somewhere that toggles the Senate on/off, and my file got changed somewhere along the way.
Were there enough planets colonized to trigger the vote?
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Bladrov
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ok, that map explains it i think, being in contact is not sufficient condition, in addition a certain % of the galaxy needs to be discorvered (2/3 probably?), so do explore some more stars and your council should be triggered.
/edit - rule is that 1/2 stars in galaxy must be colonized before council can happen. exploration is not a factor.
/edit - rule is that 1/2 stars in galaxy must be colonized before council can happen. exploration is not a factor.
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Bladrov
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Ohh, is that what it was!? Thanks for working that out for me--I was puzzled!
OK, my experience.
Technically mod is outstanding - no bugs, great UI, many options included.
Haven't played MOO2 this century, so was kinda rusty, played several games on just hard, decided than with better micro, shipbuilding and custom races at impossible there will be the same results. Stock races (Humans, Sakkra, Klackons, Silicoids), pre-warp, average age, 8 players, 1,5 improved and ICE map script.
Tried different map settings, medium 1,5 improved was best for me - ICE map feels just too prosperous, too many big habitable planets all around. Small size is too crowded, large too annoying at the later stages. Middle size map provide enough space for early expansion, couple of systems to settle, and then conflict with aliens with scrapbuided fleet, then grand finale in a reasonable timeframe.
Somehow on the fence with ICE(m) vs 1,5 improved. In general tech tree changes in ICE feels right, but I got problems with Robotic Factory and Subterranean farms being too early in the tree - Robo-miners and Soil Enrichment are kinda dedicated techs for production and populous worlds, but factory and farms I was building all over the place. Maybe it's balanced, so with 6 free food on each planet non Lithovore races can compete, but feels kinda boring. Research Lab as a singleton is fine for AI, but my uncreative klackons got it also, which kinda kills the point of disadvantage. +/-20 picks at race customization is too much, IMO.
Find pattern in all games on both 1,5 and ice - early game is quite tense and packed with decisions, as AI is quite fast with first colony ship and early military. I'm trying, if not repulsive, to sign as much research/trade agreements as I can, to get positive relationships and sign nonaggression pacts. Usually this plan fail with at least one neighbor, it leads to war when AI got superioor fleet, but AI blokade with destroyers-cruisers I can beat, with lone battleship they like to attack starbases and are usually failing terribly. Then with optimizing race bonuses and available technologies nearest AI can be beaten, somewhere at this time I'm managing fleet to beat nearby monster with juicy planet and make production hub there stacking as much production bonuses and corresponding leader. Maybe one more such hub on the other side of my territory, every other planets go into science, than I can spam battleships and later titans and roll over the galaxy.
Until the last game. Hard difficulty, medium 1,5 map, ICE M, stock Klackons. Uncreative rolls was quite interesting - I was actively tech trading, but got Automated Factories very late, cannot get Spaceport, Merculites, Fusion beam, Type 3 shield, so was struggling both economically and militarily. I've managed to get Stock Exchange, got my Battleship spamming factory working and managed to hire "android leader", so it seems that I will start to roll, but it was quite challenging finally.
So it seems to me that too make AI competitive best way to go is not singleton techs and moving them up-down the tree, and even not AI bonuses, but just serious nerf to production and science buildings. For a player it should be serious struggle when and where build each of this buildings, not just spam most of them to get good results all over the map (or not spam and get mediocre results even with Klackon economy bonuses).
PS: Will play ICE from now on even if I'm not sure about some tech changes - I got my usual "final horde" but Psylons managed to tech enough stuff so my spam of mass-driver titans work not so great and after them there is big Mrshan empire on far part of the map. So I will finally need to produce a proper end game fleet. Good stuff!
Technically mod is outstanding - no bugs, great UI, many options included.
Haven't played MOO2 this century, so was kinda rusty, played several games on just hard, decided than with better micro, shipbuilding and custom races at impossible there will be the same results. Stock races (Humans, Sakkra, Klackons, Silicoids), pre-warp, average age, 8 players, 1,5 improved and ICE map script.
Tried different map settings, medium 1,5 improved was best for me - ICE map feels just too prosperous, too many big habitable planets all around. Small size is too crowded, large too annoying at the later stages. Middle size map provide enough space for early expansion, couple of systems to settle, and then conflict with aliens with scrapbuided fleet, then grand finale in a reasonable timeframe.
Somehow on the fence with ICE(m) vs 1,5 improved. In general tech tree changes in ICE feels right, but I got problems with Robotic Factory and Subterranean farms being too early in the tree - Robo-miners and Soil Enrichment are kinda dedicated techs for production and populous worlds, but factory and farms I was building all over the place. Maybe it's balanced, so with 6 free food on each planet non Lithovore races can compete, but feels kinda boring. Research Lab as a singleton is fine for AI, but my uncreative klackons got it also, which kinda kills the point of disadvantage. +/-20 picks at race customization is too much, IMO.
Find pattern in all games on both 1,5 and ice - early game is quite tense and packed with decisions, as AI is quite fast with first colony ship and early military. I'm trying, if not repulsive, to sign as much research/trade agreements as I can, to get positive relationships and sign nonaggression pacts. Usually this plan fail with at least one neighbor, it leads to war when AI got superioor fleet, but AI blokade with destroyers-cruisers I can beat, with lone battleship they like to attack starbases and are usually failing terribly. Then with optimizing race bonuses and available technologies nearest AI can be beaten, somewhere at this time I'm managing fleet to beat nearby monster with juicy planet and make production hub there stacking as much production bonuses and corresponding leader. Maybe one more such hub on the other side of my territory, every other planets go into science, than I can spam battleships and later titans and roll over the galaxy.
Until the last game. Hard difficulty, medium 1,5 map, ICE M, stock Klackons. Uncreative rolls was quite interesting - I was actively tech trading, but got Automated Factories very late, cannot get Spaceport, Merculites, Fusion beam, Type 3 shield, so was struggling both economically and militarily. I've managed to get Stock Exchange, got my Battleship spamming factory working and managed to hire "android leader", so it seems that I will start to roll, but it was quite challenging finally.
So it seems to me that too make AI competitive best way to go is not singleton techs and moving them up-down the tree, and even not AI bonuses, but just serious nerf to production and science buildings. For a player it should be serious struggle when and where build each of this buildings, not just spam most of them to get good results all over the map (or not spam and get mediocre results even with Klackon economy bonuses).
PS: Will play ICE from now on even if I'm not sure about some tech changes - I got my usual "final horde" but Psylons managed to tech enough stuff so my spam of mass-driver titans work not so great and after them there is big Mrshan empire on far part of the map. So I will finally need to produce a proper end game fleet. Good stuff!
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