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Maximizing value of religious buildings

Discussion in 'Civ4 - General Discussions' started by tomoscar, Feb 11, 2008.

  1. tomoscar

    tomoscar Chieftain

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    When having a state religion, I am often able to get 2 hammers with every religious buliding. But I havent been able to figure out what I have to build to get these hammers. :sad:
    The Sistine Chapel increases cultural value, The Spiral Minaret adds wealth, and The University of Sankore adds research to each religious buliding. For a long time I was quite sure that it was Angkor Wat in combination with The Sistine Chapel that added the 2 hammers. :king:
    But today I am playing a game where the 2 hammers where not added, even though I had all the wonders above (and of course a state religion). :sad:
    Can anybody enlighten me? Thanks :)
     
  2. Refar

    Refar Deity

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    Apostolic Palace gives those 2 Hammers, if you are a full member.
     
  3. Heathen_Penguin

    Heathen_Penguin Chieftain

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    Refar is correct. You don't have to build it, just be a full member.

    Heathen
     
  4. tomoscar

    tomoscar Chieftain

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    Thanks a lot !!!
     
  5. jeffreyac

    jeffreyac Mostly Harmless

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    I keep seeing 'full member' in the listing for both AP and UN - um, forgive the silly question, but isn't membership an all-or-nothing deal anyway? I mean, can you BE a 'partial' member, or non-voting member somehow? If so, how, and why?

    For example, you get membership into the AP by sharing the religion, right? (at least, I thought that's all it took...)
     
  6. DigitalBoy

    DigitalBoy Emperor

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    I think you become a "partial member" (don't receive bonus hammers) by defying a resolution. I think there's also something about not having the AP religious as your state religion. I can't remember the details.
     
  7. Refar

    Refar Deity

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    With the AP, you are a full member if you have the religion as state, or if you own the thing (i assume also if you are resident, but i never got there without beeing the owner or having its state religion).

    If you have a city with the religion, but do not run it as state, you are a voting member (Unless you own the thing). Also you become a Voting member by defying, untill voting on passed resolution.

    Having no city with the religion at all you are not mameber.

    One thing i am not sure of: If you are owner, but not resident, and you just defied a resolution... I think you will still stay Full member... But never came across this situation to actually try...

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    With the UN you are a full member unless defying a resolution. Not sure what difference Full/Voting membership makes there. I think you must be Full owner, to be eligible for GenSec/Worl Leader.
     
  8. Still_Asleep

    Still_Asleep Warlord

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    In that case you will get the angry faces and become only a voting member, if I remember correctly. Sucks to get owned by the AP after you built it :)


    Difference between Full and voting member is that a full member has votes directly related to the population (in case of AP: population with the religion in their city). Voting members get only 50% of this value --> Less influence on the outcome of the votes.
     
  9. Refar

    Refar Deity

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    I think this is tied to the State Religion - you can be a full member because owning the thing, but still get 50% of the votes because not having it state religion... (I was voted out of my own AP once, after switching to Free Religion...)
     
  10. jeffreyac

    jeffreyac Mostly Harmless

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    Yeah, I was wondering how free religion affected it - I thought I was a full member last game while running free religion, but then again I think I built the AP (which, if I remember right, guarantees you full membership? Anyone confirm?)

    Eh, either way - guess I just don't have as much experience with the AP and it's younger brother, the UN... I just know it's good to have control over which resolutions get proposed... :)
     
  11. Refar

    Refar Deity

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    Beeing owner guarantees you beeing eligible for Resident/Win elections... I think it's the same as Full Membership...

    However the Members overview says
    Owner
    Full Member
    Full Member
    Voting Member
    ...
    ...

    So perhaps there is a difference between owner/full member after all... dont know.
     

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