I understand the premise behind finishing Honor and reaping the benefits, but my confusion lies in the early game. I can't fathom opening with honor and being competitive in terms of growth and happiness, which equates to science. What point is there bringing kehisks to a fight with riflemen, arties, and gats? Then again I suppose I'd need to try it to see for myself. It'd be great if you could post a video of a preferably poor start where you can execute such a strat and win before late game on Deity. That might give me some much needed pointers and inspiration to try this myself. Pangea standard pace etc. It's just so hard to wrap my head around this if were talking Deity. How do you possibly stay competitive in tech/growth this way? Even if you chariot your closest neighbor or two, the guys on the other side of the map are going to be (possibly) peacefully teching away/wonder spamming. Again, I realize that I can't knock it until I try it. Clearly not. On Deity, I either conquer enough land until I've won the game already (which means killing off that annoying neighbor who settles on your border and going from there), or the AI are so tightly packed in that I just bring workers to war and build roads as I conquer. Either way, I rarely find myself traveling across ~15 tiles of open terrain to conquer somebody. There's hardly ever that much room available on the map. I've never once had an issue with keeping my generals close to my camels. Literally not once. In a worse case scenario, I can see a group of camels cycling shots for a turn or two before my general can arrive (if I started the war late and didn't have any generals from earlier warfare), but this never happens with me. So you're basically saying that you can win with Mongolia 100% of the time, every time, regardless of how horrible your start is? Even in crap isolated non-coastal tundra land bordered by flat jungle without rivers and surrounded by badly placed city states, with a salt start korea on the other side of the map with no aggressive neighbors? Either you're much better at the game than I am or I haven't experimented with Mongolia enough, both of which are very possible.