Middle-Earth: Lord of the Mods

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Oh yeah, of course, Beleriand and Numenor sunk at different times. Of course, I forgot all about that.

How are we gonna allow for two sinkings (assuming we're using a Middle-Earth map)?

If we can cause gigantic terrain changes in-game, then I'm all for the First Age of Sun being included too. If not, then maybe we should stick to the Second or Third Ages...
 
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I don't think we can get terrain changes. Neither do I think we should have Numenor in the game. Island civs usually sucks, look at the England and Japan on a world map, for instance. :crazyeye: A one-city Numenor stuck on the island, and Gondor filled with orcs and Dunlendings would not be cool.
 
Just a tought for the tech tree problem: one nice way to represent the "slow" technological advancement of MiddleEarth would be to make the techs harder to research than in normal Civ 3. Otherwise, I think you can manage to build a single, generic, tech tree.
 
i'll just throw some "votes":
- normal tech tree please, with trading etc. the game just runs too good this way, and you can implement pretty everything. I used this in my Wh-mod where most techs are universal, there are just some that give benefits only to certain races. More balance and less problems.
- also I "vote" for as many civs as it is possible. many of you seem to be hardcore fans who can tell much without research so I leave it to you :D but don't sacrifice too much races...
- so far it is impossible to "sink" anything so lets concentrate on one map, best from the beginning of the third age imho. it should not be a problem to create a different scenarios later, with maps from other eras.

so, can someone please post the final civ lists so we can start making stuff for them? :)
 
Originally posted by embryodead
- so far it is impossible to "sink" anything so lets concentrate on one map, best from the beginning of the third age imho. it should not be a problem to create a different scenarios later, with maps from other eras.

so, can someone please post the final civ lists so we can start making stuff for them? :)

Before we do either of these, we need to decide what ages we are doing in the first place. A vote, anyone?
 
Parts of the second, and the third.
I thought we decided this in the old thread, but maybe it was only I who thought that. :)
If we have to decide whether to include Beleriand on the map or not, which we have to decide as we can't mod the map in-game, I think Beleriand shouldn't be in the map. Thus we can't include the First age. QED, or something.
 
I'll suggest the same thing I did for the LOTR mod

Have ringwraiths. They are mordor unique, they start with 9, but you don't have the resources to build them. That way you can only have the 9 you start with. And then, if someone can come up with a way to upgrade them without letting them be built, you can have them upgrade to wraiths on fell beasts
 
Originally posted by mrtn
I thought we decided this in the old thread, but maybe it was only I who thought that. :)

Yes, you were. I say we post all suggestions and put it to a vote. Agree?
 
okey dokey
 
Sorry for the late reply, but I have been stuck studying for those damn finals :mad: .

I'll try and get a post or two in everyday, until 2 weeks from now that is, there will be multiple annoying posts, by myself, everyday.
Noldodan, as I have said, (and I think what mrtn\Celeborn agreed on) the best way I think we should go for ages would be:

First Age (middle-late first age, with the arrival of man)
Time of the Rings (Elven supremacy and Saurons Power)
Time of the Númenóreans (Supremacy of Man, Numenor and it's later subdivisions\War of wrath)
Third Age Best known, time of the peace, yet weakened state, time of the fellowship

All who agree say nay, I mean ye. ;)
I know many of you *cough*Celeborn*cough* want to have a setting of Twilight and much older starts. So, once the actual MOD is out, it wouldn’t be to hard to devote a update to such a starting and throw in some wonders\units\updated techs. Remember, we want to please all Tolkien fans, or at least as many as possible. Celeborn represents on of many, I am sure :) .

Civilizations.
We’ll I can’t argue with embryodead on his excellent point. But mrtn’s point about having better, more complex civilization, even if that means fewer, is compelling also.

So, I’ll just name one at a time, one we all agree on for now, wether the later project has them is up to a vote, I’m sure ;).

Gondor.
King: That’s a hard one. I personally would go with Isildur
UU: City Guard? Another hard one, what I am thinking of can be found in the Return of the king, page 25, second paragraph.
I was also thinking we should use some Roman\Greek type units for them, in the third age. Just for flavor, unless of course we give them and extra hp or defense or something.

Bonuses: Militaristic and Commercial perhaps?
Can’t say what Techs they start with, as we don’t have them.
Color: White, IMHO
Flags-
Governor: Manage Production and Citizens

Build often:
Defensive land units
Trade
Growth
Production

Title: King if it’s Isildur\Strider, Steward if a steward...

Aggression Level: I’d say medium for regular game, more if it’s fixed alliances and locked ‘teams’.

Gender: Male

Cities(at least the ones I can think of):
Capital: Minas Tirith (or Osgiliath?)
Minas Tirith
Pelargir
Osgiliath
Dol Amroth
Cair Andros
Lossarnach
Pinnath Gelin
Ringló Vale
Calembel
Linhir
Blackroot Vale
Ethir
Tolfalas
Anfalas
Lamedon
Langstrand
Ethring?
Harlond?

Great Leaders:
Well, I’ll leave this part up to some one else, it should be easier than the cities anyway ;).
BtW, I got a lot of info from The Encyclopedia of Arda and most of the ‘cities’ from Return of the King.

AlcTrv- For some reason I am thinking 007, but besides that, a good idea. I wish we could upgrade them three times, actually. for the first 2 eras they are immobile, and for the third, they are on black horses, and the last on the beasts, as you say. But I don't think it's possible, and it is somewhat inaccurate for the First and Second eras. In fact, even in the second to last era. Only in the Third age were they powerful. They aren't really a UU, more of a bonus.
Perhaps a good UU for Mordor would be the Wight? They wouldn’t have to be restricted in number.
 
hmmm...

Gondor Great Leaders:

Farimir
Borimir
some one else
some one else
 
IM thinking for mordor we use sween's Sauron Leader head and use embryo's Chaos warrior for the king unit...
 
Shouldn't Saruman have the white civcolour? So that the hands on the Uruk Hai is white? Hm...
Otherwise I agree.
How about leader heads? I've been thinking about which of the ordinary ones we could use. And only the medieval ones, unless it's the ancient which fits best.
Dwarves: Ragnar med
Lothlorien: Isabella med
Arnor: Brennus med
Southrons: Abu Bakr or Shaka? I don't really know how 'Southern' they are.
Saruman: gael's 'Suraman' head. :D
Gondor: Abe ancient or med or Bissmarck ancient? Or Robert the Bruce?
Mordor: guess ;)
Rohan: The Bruce? Or shall we pretend that Bissmarck was blond in his youth? :)
Easterlings: Abu Bakr if we use Shaka for the Southrons, otherwise some of the other mid east ones.
If we have some more Orc/evil civ Sween made a Orc leader Head.

I think we should use as many of the ordinary LHs as possible, to keep the file size down.
 
I agree with embryodead, for instance, why would we use Robert the Bruce for Rohan? If the King would be Theoden? And no, I don't know what he looked like in his youth ;). If it is Eomer, that is a different story. Or if it was Eorl, again a different story. We should probably get the Civ\faction down first as embryodead said. I'll post a list soon, and see if everyone agrees on it.
mrtn- I think we should use as many of the ordinary LHs as possible, to keep the file size down.
But it seems embryodead if really itching to make some graphics and I sure as am not going to stop him! :D
 
I don't like the idea to use old leader heads. I think we should make new ones like those Sween32 made.
 
Hmmm… I don't especially agree with Isildur as king of Gondor. Why not Elendil? Isildur wasn't in power for long, he was quickly killed in the disaster of the fields of Celebrant.

Also, "Minas Tirith" should first be named "Minas Anor" (to evit confusion with the one on Sirion), and where is "Minas Ithil" in this list?

As for leaders and others for Gondor/Arnor, try to read "Unfinished Tales", it has a good list of them.

Post Scriptum: The war of wrath is in the very end of the First Age, not in the Second.
 
Wow, thats a pretty big mistake :cringe: But at least I can rest easy with know one but you catching it. The war of wrath was the title of the Great battle when the Vanyar came to middle earth (then left)? Is there something I could have confused this with at the end of the second era? The Last alliance? Changing it to Minas Anor would be a good idea, but I disagree about Minas Ithil, as we are already short on cities for Mordor. And putting the same city in with two different names is a bad idea IMHO. A similar example would be: Should we include Orthanc in the list? No because we need it for Isengard.

I also disagree about Elendil, Isildur rescued the white tree did he not? Another place this would cause confusion would be if we do add Arnor. Isildur 'succeeded where his father did not' and he was a key player in the founding of Gondor, all the way up to the war of the ring. If you really don't want him, I would say we find someone else, neither Elendil or Isildur.

Thanks for the tip about the Unfinished tales, I'll check it out (looking through right now).

We are agreed on the ages I presume? Do you play Civ3 on a macintosh?
 
Ok, how is this for a list of Heros (most of them kings)

Meneldil
Rómendacil I
Rómendacil II
Hyarmendacil II
Telumehtar
Eärnil II
Mardil Voronwë
Ecthelion II
Boromir
Faramir
Aragorn Telcontar
Eldarion

A couple of these could be used as the leader, instead of Isildur.
 
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