Miltia to prevent cultural flip

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  1. Akadah

    Akadah Troll

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    Can garrisoning troops in a city prevent it from revolting? If so, how many troops does it take to prevent this from occurring?
     
  2. ParadigmShifter

    ParadigmShifter Random Nonsense Generator

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    Yes it can.

    You need a lot though, you can check by hovering over the culture bar.

    If you get to 50% culture you are immune to culture flips.
     
  3. Riot

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    The more powerful the unit, the better it is at preventing revolts. Things like Tanks and onwards are very good at preventing them.

    Mounted are better than non-mounted, I read somewhere?
     
  4. Silu

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    Old units are better than one might think. Some of the relative strengths:

    warrior, quecha: 3
    archer, skirmisher, axe, spear, phalanx, chariot, immortal, catapult: 4
    swordsman, jaguar, praetorian, horsearcher, keshik, war elephant: 5
    mace, samurai, pike, longbow, crossbow, chokonu, knight, camelarcher, conquistador: 6
    musketman, musketeer, grenadier, cannon: 7
    rifle, redcoat, cavalry, cossack: 8
    machine gun: 9
    infantry, SAM infantry, gunship, artillery: 10
    marine, SEAL, tank, panzer: 12
    mech infantry, modern armor: 16

    So 3 Archers or 4 Warriors equal a Tank for revolt suppression for example.
     
  5. UncleJJ

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    Silu, that is the same list as I use. It comes from this article: Culture Mechanics Disassembled , I presume. But that is dated 05-06-2007 and is probably based on Warlords data. I wonder if anyone has checked if this is still true for BtS under the latest patch, other aspects of the "cultural system" have been modified several times since then.
     
  6. Zink

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    I'm not 100% sure since this is from a game last week:
    I always stuff my outdated troops into culturally pressed cities and check the chance to revolt. Last week i sent 3 units (2x archer, 1x ?) to try and replace a cavalry. That didnt work out. But according to those numbers it should have...
    Perhaps my memory is failing me, but i think that's what i did.

    I also had in memory that sticking (any) 10 or more units into a city will prevent a revolt. Either i read that wrong or it doesnt work anymore.
     
  7. Silu

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    Yah, I did check... At least a couple, at one time, and assumed the rest are same as well. Just for completion, here's a grep of what it's in BtS 3.19.

    Spoiler :

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    <iCultureGarrison>0</iCultureGarrison>

    <Type>UNIT_BEAR</Type>
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    <iCultureGarrison>0</iCultureGarrison>

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    <iCultureGarrison>0</iCultureGarrison>

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    <iCultureGarrison>0</iCultureGarrison>

    <Type>UNIT_WORKER</Type>
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    <Type>UNIT_NETHERLANDS_OOSTINDIEVAARDER</Type>
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    <iCultureGarrison>0</iCultureGarrison>

    <Type>UNIT_GREAT_SPY</Type>
    <iCultureGarrison>0</iCultureGarrison>
     
  8. UncleJJ

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    Thanks Silu, that all looks in order :)
     

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