Modern age naval units

[Haig]

Naval units seen from Modern era have so far been:
Ironclad
Dreadnought
Destroyer
Battleship

Do you think there are more warships and what type of ship is likely to be included, maybe a ship-of-the-line?

 

[chaosprophet]

You forgot the Aircraft Carrier (a naval unit that is actually an air commander)

 

[AriochIV]

Here's what we know about so far:

It's possible that there might be a default unit that Exploration naval units upgrade to at the start of the Age; if so, that might be something like a Ship of the Line or a Frigate. Haven't seen one yet, though.

 

[Klaus Hergersheimer]

Yeah there's a mystery one there fore sure.

Very squat. Some sort of littoral, naval trawler, coast guard thing? With an artist rendition it's hard to guess.

 

[Zennock]

Here's what we know about so far:
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It's possible that there might be a default unit that Exploration naval units upgrade to at the start of the Age; if so, that might be something like a Ship of the Line or a Frigate. Haven't seen one yet, though.

As usual my dude, very informative posts. Cheers!

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

Here's what we know about so far:

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It's possible that there might be a default unit that Exploration naval units upgrade to at the start of the Age; if so, that might be something like a Ship of the Line or a Frigate. Haven't seen one yet, though.

Since the Tier 3 Exploration Naval Unit has been identified as the Galleon, the Ship of the Line would be a natural and historically accurate (for what that's worth in Civ) progression.

The 'Race Built Galleon' of John Hawkins in the 1570s provided the hull form for the later English Great Ships including the Sovereign of the Seas , launched in 1637 with 3 gun decks carrying 102 cannon and generally considered to be the 'prototype' Ship of the Line.

I suggest that a WWI-era 'light ship', if the Destroyer is reserved for WWII, could be one of several cruiser types from the 1890 - 1918 period that disappeared afterwards:

The Armored Cruiser - not really 'light' except in comparison to the dreadnaught battleships and battlecruisers.
The Protected Cruiser - a late 19th century type last seen around the time of the Spanish-American War - one potential advantage of this type is that the USS Olympia, a protected cruiser launched in 1892, is preserved today in Philadelphia and so can be studied in detail.

 

[AriochIV]

Since the Tier 3 Exploration Naval Unit has been identified as the Galleon, the Ship of the Line would be a natural and historically accurate (for what that's worth in Civ) progression.

The 'Race Built Galleon' of John Hawkins in the 1570s provided the hull form for the later English Great Ships including the Sovereign of the Seas , launched in 1637 with 3 gun decks carrying 102 cannon and generally considered to be the 'prototype' Ship of the Line.

I suggest that a WWI-era 'light ship', if the Destroyer is reserved for WWII, could be one of several cruiser types from the 1890 - 1918 period that disappeared afterwards:

The Armored Cruiser - not really 'light' except in comparison to the dreadnaught battleships and battlecruisers.
The Protected Cruiser - a late 19th century type last seen around the time of the Spanish-American War - one potential advantage of this type is that the USS Olympia, a protected cruiser launched in 1892, is preserved today in Philadelphia and so can be studied in detail.

I'd guess that the default naval unit is a Frigate (given its frequency of previous appearance), and an armored cruiser sounds like a good WWI-era light unit (though it might be called literally anything).

(edit) Here's a blow-up of the icon.

 

[Lonecat Nekophrodite]

Naval units seen from Modern era have so far been:
Ironclad
Dreadnought
Destroyer
Battleship

Do you think there are more warships and what type of ship is likely to be included, maybe a ship-of-the-line?

Frigate as 'Light' choice, Ships of the Line as 'Heavy' before becoming Dreadnought.
Though Ironclad should be 'Heavy' choice instead. the 'Light' should be Protected Cruiser however.

I don't think Submarine will not be here. but what I saw is that it shown up late.
What bugs me is that.. just look at tech tree. Submarine appears late. it is actually an anathema to battleships (particularly Pre Dreads and Dreads).
and another thing that bugs me... 'Galleons in the Modern Age'. look at Katy introduction video.

 

[AriochIV]

While it seems more logical that Ironclads should be Heavy, in past games Civ has emphasized the speed of Ironclads, and that appears to continue here. Light Naval units aren't necessarily weaker; the defining characteristic of Light Naval units is that they gain the Skirmish ability, which gives them additional flanking bonuses (again, emphasizing speed).

I'm guessing that placing Submarines so late is a gameplay choice rather than a historical one.

and another thing that bugs me... 'Galleons in the Modern Age'. look at Katy introduction video.

That isn't a Galleon, I think it's an embarked Explorer. Keep in mind that the Modern Age starts in 1750; sailing units were still around for more than another century.

 

[Lonecat Nekophrodite]

While it seems more logical that Ironclads should be Heavy, in past games Civ has emphasized the speed of Ironclads, and that appears to continue here. Light Naval units aren't necessarily weaker; the defining characteristic of Light Naval units is that they gain the Skirmish ability, which gives them additional flanking bonuses (again, emphasizing speed).

I'm guessing that placing Submarines so late is a gameplay choice rather than a historical one.


That isn't a Galleon, I think it's an embarked Explorer. Keep in mind that the Modern Age starts in 1750; sailing units were still around for more than another century.

1. but light naval units are required to be fast. one can have a good punch or armor but above all. FAST. (armor and armaments were secondary).
Ironclads aren't really known of speeds. using steam engine doesn't always guarantee speeds.
2. But hull shape, and rigging is still galleon to me, with only a triangular sail to the front added. all else is the same ol galleon.
sailships of 1750s are all tall ships. rigggins and hull forms are all far evolved from galleon origins in the late 17th Century.

 

[Lonecat Nekophrodite]

I'd guess that the default naval unit is a Frigate (given its frequency of previous appearance), and an armored cruiser sounds like a good WWI-era light unit (though it might be called literally anything).

(edit) Here's a blow-up of the icon.

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It should be 'Protected Cruiser'.
Destoryers only shine in WW2. while it exists in WW1, these were not really high sea goers.

 

[gdr_willter]

Frigate as 'Light' choice, Ships of the Line as 'Heavy' before becoming Dreadnought.
Though Ironclad should be 'Heavy' choice instead. the 'Light' should be Protected Cruiser however.

I always hated the American Ironclad for the early modern naval range unit. It's highly inaccurate model for the most of world.

 

[Lonecat Nekophrodite]

I always hated the American Ironclad for the early modern naval range unit. It's highly inaccurate model for the most of world.

Civ 5 Ironclad looks much better IMAO.

 

[gdr_willter]

Civ 5 Ironclad looks much better IMAO.

Still not good. I want to see the real escalation through the Ship-of-the-line -> Ironclad -> Battleship.

If there is no enough room for the hybrid-propelled Ironclad like La Gloire or HMS Warrior, it's just okay with Ship-of-the-line -> Dreadnought -> Fast Battleship.

But what I got was always Damn Frigate -> Silly Ironclad -> Battleship in previous titles. So I'll be happy when the prospect abotu SotL and Light Ironclad become true.

 

[Lonecat Nekophrodite]

Since the Tier 3 Exploration Naval Unit has been identified as the Galleon, the Ship of the Line would be a natural and historically accurate (for what that's worth in Civ) progression.

The 'Race Built Galleon' of John Hawkins in the 1570s provided the hull form for the later English Great Ships including the Sovereign of the Seas , launched in 1637 with 3 gun decks carrying 102 cannon and generally considered to be the 'prototype' Ship of the Line.

And this Russian ship looks quite like galleon t ome. only with traingle sail added to the front.

 

[AriochIV]

I just noticed that the Destroyer has only 5 less Combat Strength than the Battleship, and has the same range of 3 (it's not a melee unit). Considering that it's also faster and cheaper, that seems pretty potent.

I suspect that both units probably have special attributes that differentiate them more... the Destroyer may have Skirmish, and the Battleship might have a bonus vs. naval units or fortification bombardment.

 

[gdr_willter]

I just noticed that the Destroyer has only 5 less Combat Strength than the Battleship, and has the same range of 3 (it's not a melee unit). Considering that it's also faster and cheaper, that seems pretty potent.

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I suspect that both units probably have special attributes that differentiate them more... the Destroyer may have Skirmish, and the Battleship might have a bonus vs. naval units or fortification bombardment.

It can be. Destroyers usually utilized torpedoes which can reach way longer than its guns and can even sunk battleships. But I hope FXS give them some difference on the defense strength.

 

[Haig]

A dreadnought too should be stronger than a destroyer, I think. They had lots of armor and firepower.

 

[AriochIV]

It can be. Destroyers usually utilized torpedoes which can reach way longer than its guns and can even sunk battleships. But I hope FXS give them some difference on the defense strength.

Torpedoes can't normally hit land targets, unless you're the Sea Tiger from Operation Petticoat or a sub in Civ6.

 

[gdr_willter]

Torpedoes can't normally hit land targets, unless you're the Sea Tiger from Operation Petticoat or a sub in Civ6.

I just mentioned about its anti-ship combat strength and range.