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Modern Day Communism Boils Away Oppression

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Cheezy the Wiz, Aug 17, 2014.

  1. Timsup2nothin

    Timsup2nothin Quad B

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    Daw I think you are off track on this one.

    We've had conversations. You mention your wife. You aren't making an effort to display your sexuality, but you do.

    If you go to work on a Monday and talk to a co-worker about the great weekend you had...took a trip with the wife up to <insert cool place in Russia here>, had a good meal at a nice, kind of romantic, restaurant...tried the <insert cool previously unknown food here> but didn't really care for it too much, though <insert wife's name here> really did...again you aren't making an effort to display your sexuality, but you are. You did at the restaurant, and you did again at work.

    If you spent the weekend with someone you love, and their name is Bob, why should you have to be on your guard in telling the story? You still wouldn't be making an effort to display your sexuality...but you would be...and the fact that has consequences for other people while it doesn't for you is why those other people are upset.
     
  2. red_elk

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    I think if a person likes to masturbate watching porn, this is not a reason for his discrimination. But if he'll do it on public, to demonstrate that he exists and matters, I would oppose such behavior quite a bit.
     
  3. Borachio

    Borachio Way past lunacy

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    That's curious. You see a parallel between gay pride marches and masturbation to pornography?

    That's certainly a point of view you have there! You don't think they more represent the natural, and "gay", exuberance of some homosexuals?
     
  4. red_elk

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    No. I'm showing examples to demonstrate that there are things inappropriate to show off on public, even if there is nothing criminal about them. It doesn't mean that human sexuality should be completely hidden, but there is appropriate "level of exposure", which is different for different cultures.
     
  5. Borachio

    Borachio Way past lunacy

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    That's absolutely true, I think.
     
  6. Daw

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    Studies show it's quite possible and besides many would remain as, like Terxpahseyton has correctly pointed out, there is a gradient between the two extremes. Bisexuals show that clearly enough.

    "Banning" is not actually supposed to as a stand-alone activity.

    It's an integral part of a complex demographic policy currently gently implemented, and uplifting standards of living is another part of it. Personally, I thing sexual education (not Kamasutra lessons but thoroughly explaining which goes where and does what in male and female organisms, plus some basic psychology training preparing for being parents) for puberty teens in schools might also work, as it is said that "100% of adult population know how to make children but 99% of them don't know what to do with children once they're made."

    And he was welcome to once he had been done with reproduction ;) But if he was Russian, the only requirement would be that he leaves the youth alone.
    The ones I met and talked to were quite reserved, but all of them admitted they are quite content with their personal life just being left alone as it is their private thing, none of anyone's business. Which is actually all that's needed of them.

    And also quite understandable because I didn't see too many straights who would readily talk about what they do with their spouses when nobody sees them.
     
  7. mech654

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  8. Mouthwash

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    The essence of Marxist philosophy is this: We are right because we are the spokesmen of the rising proletarian class. Discursive reasoning cannot invalidate our teachings, for they are inspired by the supreme power that determines the destiny of mankind. Our adversaries are wrong because they lack the intuition that guides our minds. It is, of course, not their fault that on account of their class affiliation they are not equipped with the genuine proletarian logic and are blinded by ideologies. The unfathomable decrees of history that have elected us have doomed them. The future is ours.
     
  9. Timsup2nothin

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    Just a guess...you have not clue one what is between the covers of any book by Karl Marx, other than what you have been told by someone who also never actually read one.
     
  10. red_elk

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    And also, this is a partial reason for misunderstandings between Russians and Europeans on this matter. Main reason for Russian public opposition to gay parades is obtrusiveness in demonstrating their sexual orientation, which goes far beyond levels acceptable in Russian culture. This is interpreted by Europeans as a rampant homophobia, whereas people here may have nothing against gays, but still be against their parades. I have no problems if my co-worker or friend is a gay, but if he insists that occasional walking on Moscow streets with naked butt is a matter of his human rights, I won't like it.
     
  11. Borachio

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    It's not bad, though, is it? Assuming he hasn't actually read a book on Marxism.

    It would fool me. (I haven't read much on Marxism, I'll admit. But I suspect Mr Wash has. He seems to have read a lot of stuff.)

    Well, it's not something I actively want to see, either. And it wouldn't go down at all well in my town. In cosmopolitan London, or New York, no one would bat an eyelid today. But I expect it would have been frowned on, in those two cities, even 20 years ago.

    Times change. I suspect Russia is going through the same processes as the rest of us. Just a bit behind the times, in this respect. In other respects, no doubt, Russia is a trendsetter, too.
     
  12. Daw

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    I don't think I am.

    Right, but there's nothing wrong about having a wife, is there? Since I gave no name, there's no evidence what gender the wife is. You can assume, and even be sure you're right, but you can't know until you get closer and find out, which won't happen if I don't want to.

    I shouldn't, but because homosexual marriages are not allowed, it'll be hard to me to refer to Bob as wife. More likely I will keep calling Bob Bob. Besides, as I'm supposed to speak Russian in Russia, and there is no special word for boyfriend/girlfriend in Russian to clearly indicate sexual affair with them, I would use the equivalent of "the guy".

    Those who're unaware will think I spent my time with good old buddy of mine, that's it.
     
  13. Borachio

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    Ah, but you see, married homosexual men call their partners "husbands". Not "wives". (I think I've heard them do this on the radio.)

    The lesbians I know always seem to refer to their "partners" (and "being together"). Never their wives. Oh dear me no.
     
  14. Daw

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    Ok, but since they can't be married in Russia, they have no reason to refer to their partners as to husbands either. So, the imaginary Bob guy would still be the guy.

    And besides it was still safe to me to mention my wife because nothing is wrong with having a wife even in the most advanced countries (I hope).

    Hmm.... It's just occurred to me that I can't remember any lesbian I know. Apparently either I know none, or they are really good at concealing they are.

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    Besides, speaking about telling stories, it just struck me that there is a curve in how much I'm open to people I talk to. I tend to be more open on the Internet, where I feel my privacy protected with a nickname and also distance between my counterparts and myself, so I can jump off and get lost any given moment, and everything I told won't matter a fig to my real life. But when I meet people off-line I tend to be much more reserved and much time may pass between I say my first "hi" to someone and I tell them some personal info about my private life. And by then I will have a pretty neat idea about what I can tell safely and what I shouldn't. Mentioning my wife or Bob would be of those things as well.
     
  15. Farm Boy

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    Oh no, you don't make a harem lord. You make a group marriage. Equal shares.

    For the last, so do women in their 30s. Rather significantly. And women in their 40s far more. But worrying about that in the context of marriage ties the concept to reproduction. Are sterile individuals allowed to marry? Are people of 35+ years allowed to marry? Are people disadvantaged by statute should they engage in heterosexual intercourse outside of marriage? At the very least this would be a concern totally absent from homosexual relationships.

    Still weird to me that it'd be ok to hitch, screw, and start popping out babies with a 16 year old. I mean I see the necessity in a survival based society where healthy breeding stock is needed as soon as it's available and at its "freshest," but in the 21st century it just seems like there is too much education needed to get under people's belts before they can start making semi-informed life decisions of that magnitude. Those decisions hit the next generation rather intimately. They aren't to be taken lightly or sexily with a hawt 16 year old. This is on me, but it just seems so... primitive and uncivilized.
     
  16. Daw

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    Strange. You insist on equality but it looks as if you were talking about homosexuals and heterosexuals like about two different species. Both homosexuals and heterosexuals are humans, right? Humans can marry humans of the opposite gender.

    Similarly, every human, regardless of his/her physical condition has right to participate in a Marathon, and win. I can't because I'll be dead before I run a kilometer. But I don't think I'm discriminated.

    Hard to verify, as I can't recall someone bothering to specially claim from a TV screen that he/she was heterosexual.

    Apparently, you need a better workplace then. Did you try to change your job? May be start your own business? Sometimes it happens that people are unhappy with the co-workers they have (for whatever reasons), and it really can be very stressful. But you're not sentenced to spend your life with them. They won't go though but you can. And it's not a defeat and running away, it's getting through them and leaving them behind to find yourself a better place.

    Well, but this is democracy in action: majority wants it, majority gets it :dunno:

    Anyway, if this is about having children, you can still go a variety of ways.

    They do. If this is about having children, you can get fictive married. To a lesbian couple. Then laugh together about the authorities' stupidity. Moreover, you can also use IVF to have YOUR OWN CHILDREN with them.

    This is a silly prohibition, so it's up to you to keep suffering from it or get around it and enjoy your life.

    Let's face it: people are different. Males are different from females, both genders representatives are different in height, weight, shoe size, eye color, hair density, etc. Differences are everywhere.

    Some have a set of features making them more eligible for something than others. Like tall people make better basketball players. I told you I can't run marathon, so I found a better use of myself.

    Like what? I mean, apart from marriage and adoption.

    Well, since they didn't (and don't) look particularly depressed and suffering, I just thought it would be helpful to point out that some are seemingly getting along quite fine, and painful agony is apparently not a really inevitable necessity. Sorry if I only made it worse.

    I must have misunderstood the "advocacy" term, I think. It has a variety of meanings from "protection of legal rights" to "facilitating" and up to exactly "awareness campaign". the three aspects are not particularly synonymic, could you please specify which is the one you meant?

    But hey, am I not right about I wasn't in fact the first to actually mention it in post #17? I wasn't even the second...
     
  17. Daw

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    Does not fit well with mentality here. It's how you're more ready for communism than we are actually :)

    Besides, psychologists strongly advise against it by saying monogamy family is better for kids personality development when they know precisely well who is mommy and who is daddy, and that they are special to each other. Kinda makes kids feel safer.

    Sterile individuals are allowed to marry, but most of the time they are diagnosed with sterility AFTER they are married and try to have children for a while and fail and go to a doctor to find out why. Sometimes their marriage falls apart, and there are many precedents when they get married a second time to a single parent with children.

    People of 35+ are allowed to marry of course, they are still of good childbearing potential. Moreover, elders can marry too.

    People are not disadvantaged by statute should they engage in heterosexual intercourse outside of marriage, but this a good reason for a divorce if the spouse learns about the affair. Nevertheless, good old adultery is still practiced widely, and widely it is considered contemptible misbehavior. I assume it has something to do with the coherent (or not) ideology discussed in the neighboring thread.

    Didn't get this one. Could you rephrase it, please?

    Well, it's not that simple actually.

    Maturity comes step by step starting at 14, when you get your passport.

    16 is the age when of sexual consent. However, full legal age is 18. Between 16 and 18 you can sleep with people without them being sent to jail after that (not that you parents will necessarily be happy about the news) and you need parents' consent to get married.

    At 18 you also can drive, vote, be elected, have your cigarettes and vodka. Get married without notifying your parents, too.

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    Oh, one more thing: when you are 18 and also a healthy male, you're subject for conscription unless you're a high school student or... have 2 children ;)
     
  18. Farm Boy

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    What's not to get? There are absolutely no risks of "genetic defects" with homosexual couples. There are significant amounts of risks of genetic defects in women over 30. If you want to beat that drum, really, you need to axe off that "good childbearing potential." Otherwise we're just left with gays are socially ikky. I mean screwing a 16 year old is ikky too, but you can't blame anyone legally for gittin' it when the gittin's good.
     
  19. squadbroken

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    the amount of hoops some people are willing to jump through to defend bigotry is pretty impressive
     
  20. Daw

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    It's probably my lack of English. Never mind and thank you for unfolding it for me.

     

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