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Modern day liberalism boils down to the tolerance of oppression.

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by classical_hero, Aug 17, 2014.

  1. FriendlyFire

    FriendlyFire Codex WMDicanious

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    I miss Dom3000 and hes crazy double think.

    Dom3000: Genocide is wrong and always is wrong
    Friendlyfire: What about God Genocide the world in a huge flood ? If Genocide always wrong dose that mean God is wrong ?
    Dom3000: I'll ask my Sunday church teacher about that and get back to you
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    Dom3000: I have to leave CFCOT now
    Friendlyfire: :O
     
  2. Kaitzilla

    Kaitzilla Lord Croissant

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  3. Gori the Grey

    Gori the Grey The Poster

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    What’s wrong with short words, huh, bub?

    Does one need long words to show how smart one is? Is that how it works?

    Short words have all the verve and splash that one could hope for, I’d say.

    One can think well with them. And make strong points.

    In fact, I’m not sure they’re not a good deal more apt than long words much of the time, more frank, more to the point.

    You know you hate that guy who tries to show off with words that he thinks will make him look smart.

    Think of the kinds of sly, vague words you use to tell a lie; most of them would be long words, I dare say.

    The truth shines like the sun and strikes with all the force of a bolt from the blue.
     
  4. Harv

    Harv Emperor

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    Well done - only one two syllable word.
     
  5. FriendlyFire

    FriendlyFire Codex WMDicanious

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    I dunno conservatives seems to be pretty anti-gay, anti-non white, anti-women, anti- Muslims, anti-science and anti-healthcare.

    Yeah a lot of polorised liberals and fringe elements have emerged on the left, but seems more on the right. While most americans are probably rolling there eyes and faceplaming themselves. I guess we will see the true face of conservatism again once they take power again. Not that Iam looking forward to it given how ugly it is becoming.
     
  6. Lord of Elves

    Lord of Elves Suede-Denim Secret Police

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    We are living with Dommy's legacy. OT was considered a haven of communists, socialists, feminists and other un-American undesirables before Dommy's arrival and now -- four years later -- the most prolific and vocal faction of the community is the reactionaries. Admittedly, CFCOTers prefer to have their debates spoon-fed to them in the form of someone uninformed and uninterested saying something unintelligent and provocative, and then the less uninformed and uninterested members of the community dogpile them into oblivion.

    These are the choices we have made. We should all feel bad or something.
     
  7. Antilogic

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    Nooo!!! You are dog-piling him, he's going to take his ball and go home!

    What is this PC BS?

    Also a recognition that private sources of authority can infringe on an individual's rights just as much as a public one.
     
  8. bhsup

    bhsup Deity

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    Going anti-Mac now, Antilogic??
     
  9. Antilogic

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    Nah, just thought righties had a problem with political correctness. :)
     
  10. FriendlyFire

    FriendlyFire Codex WMDicanious

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    But I actually like Domm3000

    Hes put forward some of the most innocent and ideological pure ideas. Such as completely deregulating the roads, then would put forward the most craziest arguments why making regulations forcing people drive on a lane so we dont have like millions of head on collisions dosnt count as regulations.

    I guess we corrupted hes innocence with our satanic and evil ways. :sad:
     
  11. Gori the Grey

    Gori the Grey The Poster

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    Oops.

    I'm glad you caught that, though. It shows how hard it is to keep one's mind sharp and on task..

    Leave it to a guy who drops from his name the y that is the norm for that name to have a good eye for such things.

    I first wrote "most," but then (the way one tends to) I hedged, and with that hedge, I both drained force from my point and spoiled my joke.

    Ah well. Try, try once more.
     
  12. Traitorfish

    Traitorfish The Tighnahulish Kid

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    I agree with Classical Hero, for once: modern liberalism amounts to the tolerance of the oppressive policies of modern conservatism.
     
  13. Hygro

    Hygro soundcloud.com/hygro/

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    boo we're talking about liberal-progressivism not Liberaliſm
     
  14. Traitorfish

    Traitorfish The Tighnahulish Kid

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    Yes, but how could I resist? You know that we self-indulgent progressive types lack the iron self-control of the true conservative.
     
  15. Hygro

    Hygro soundcloud.com/hygro/

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    Liberaliſm, Traitofiſsh, Liberaliſm.


    :p
     
  16. Borachio

    Borachio Way past lunacy

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    Hmm. I found it interesting to learn that Shakespeare uses short. words. to. slow. the action down, and multi-syllable ones. to. speed. it. up. It struck me as counter-intuitive, somehow.
     
  17. DaveShack

    DaveShack Inventor Retired Moderator

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    Let's see...

    Don't care about gays either way, dislike gay activism
    Friends with lots of non-white, dislike the way race is used politically
    Have no problem with females, dislike feminist activism
    Have no problem with Muslims, dislike jihadists
    Actively engage in science. Don't think our way of life should be totally dismantled by environmental activists.
    Believe strongly that healthcare should be available, don't think private insurance should be taken away. (ok, no parallel here...)

    See a pattern? Being against activism does not equate with being against the group of people. I firmly believe most conservatives are like me. Unfortunately, too many of our self-appointed spokespeople come off as being anti-X where the real position is anti-X-activism.
     
  18. Terxpahseyton

    Terxpahseyton One. And many.

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    Oh my....

    "We are all awesome! Whooo! Awesome, awesome, awesome! America! Awesome! We! Awesome! Whooo!"
    That is about the intellectual depth I got out of this little speech.

    I can see how people like this thought. Being told how awesome you and your country is is not exactly uncomfortable. But perhaps such almost religiously zealous empowerment- and feel-good-rhetoric is not fit to replace an actual analysis of the situation.

    I mean there is a place for complaining about over-regulation or taxes or whatever. Those are surely not illegitimate topics as such. But if they are just part of such an awesome-shining-Americans-against-the-evil-dark-forces-of-government rhetoric than any justification they may have is easily suffocated by all the horsecrap piled onto it.
     
  19. Cutlass

    Cutlass The Man Who Wasn't There.

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    The problem with that theory is that if those groups are being oppressed, then they need to be activist, or they have no liberty to be themselves.
     
  20. El_Machinae

    El_Machinae Colour vision since 2018 Retired Moderator

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    It's a balance, I won't deny. In order to protect some people, other people have rules (and yes, loss of freedoms) imposed upon them.

    It truly gets all muddied when business licenses and their concomitant protections are included. The legal protections of a business license can quite reasonably include obligations. "Sorry, you want limited liability? You need to serve black people." The issue kicks in really hard once you force people to have those licenses.

    "Sorry, you want to sell greeting cards on the street? Need a license. Here's a list of protections you get. Oh, and by the ways, you need to serve black people"

    It's not easy to figure out how to do. DaveShack's list is an interesting one, because those people were historically brutalized. Christians get a tax writeoff if they contribute to a Bible-printing endeavour, even if that Bible includes a bunch of stuff against gays. Blacks used to be enslaved, I mean, c'mon, clearly there's an historical injustice here. Used to be legal to rape wives. Muslims (over a billion) can reasonably expect similar consideration regarding their restrictions that Jews achieved.

    But, it's possible for liberals to go overboard. It's a valid criticism. A lot of what they fight for are rights that end up being zero-sum. Environmental activism is a great one. People want to help damage communal property (or even my property) for their own benefit. And so, in defense of that property, we pass restrictive laws. Sometimes, yes, too restrictive.

    And then, where is copyright in this discussion? Clearly oppression, we just call it 'for the good of society'. The law literally says that I cannot draw Disney's Snow White on the greeting cards I want to sell. Restricting what I may do with my pen and my paper and denying I can engage in mutually beneficial trade with anyone I want.

    But, conservative complaints about oppression should be considered. Especially when they're regarding zero-sum freedoms. Each particular case needs to be watched carefully.
     

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