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Mods Yes or No

Discussion in 'Civ6 - General Discussions' started by Sykes179, Nov 21, 2018.

  1. Sykes179

    Sykes179 Chieftain

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    I've read lots of posts about this or that mod does one thing or another.

    I don't know, maybe I'm a purist or old fashioned. Seriously, what is the point? Imagine turning up to play chess and someone says oh yeah, black is at too big a disadvantage so I've 'modded' the game so white only has one bishop. Or a football match and someone decides corners favour tall players so only short corners are allowed.

    Just get on and play the game. Instead of wasting time on mods use your time more purposefully by doing something useful like curing cancer or eradicating chld poverty.

    I know the irony, the whole game could be considered a huge waste of time, my tongue is half way into my cheek!
     
  2. criZp

    criZp Warlord

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    what's the deal with people who get so angry on others because they play the game in their own way that affects noone else? why did you waste your time making this dumb thread?
     
  3. Gedemon

    Gedemon Modder Moderator

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    I don't know how to cure cancer, I could try to, but I'm afraid I won't be able to save anybody, there are people a lot more qualified than me can try.

    But I can do mods, saving doctors time so that they could save people instead of bringing the great earth maps from civ4 and civ5 to civ6.

    What I do is making some people happy, isn't that great ?

    And the ability to mod the game is the only reason I buy it.

    Because imagine that Firaxis is the international organization that decide the rules of playing chess.

    Imagine they change those rules every 5-6 years.

    And then you may not like those changes.

    At this point two possibilities, you stop playing chess, or you create your own organization with your own rules.

    For me that's the point of modding: making my rules.
     
  4. FearSunn

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    I don't find OP dumb. And I am a modder. All this are fair considerations and fair questions. Chess example is especially good one. But with one big but: chess are perfectly balanced fascinating strategy game. Unfortunatley Civ 6 is not (nor it is balanced, nor it is really a strategy - it is more like sim city). The main reason I am here playing and modding is because it is fun. If one have more fun playing unmodded game rather than modded, then it is his choise and both choices are right.
     
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  5. durfal

    durfal The Dutch Daredevil

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    Simple answer is always yes.
    You don't want them, just don't use them. It's as simple as that.
    No one is forcing you to use them if you don't want to. Apparently lots of people do like them and as long as we don't bother each other, who cares who uses a mod or not.
    Bringing up the cure of cancer and eradicating poverty is absolutely absurd to what you are comparing them with.
    It's just a game people play to enjoy themselves and if they want to use or make mods; I really don't see how that should be of a concern to anyone.
     
  6. blackcatatonic

    blackcatatonic Queen of Meme

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    I don't use mods in Civ but I also don't have any kind of ideological objection to others using them. The only thing that annoys me is when mods are spoken of as the solution to correct something missing or broken in the unmodded game. For things that are down to personal preference, fair enough, but when something just plain doesn't work, why should a mod be needed to fix it?
     
  7. raen

    raen Coat of Arms

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    @Sykes179 see this paper about it: http://spartan.ac.brocku.ca/~tkennedy/COMM/Postigo2007.pdf

    I do it for the Culture, like it says in the Paper, I try to show (=mod since modding is the only way to do it, or you alter game core files for that sake) Portugal since Civ 1. Also, this way I learn history I hated at school!

    Neverless, I am a programmer myself, and one of my hobbies is being a Digital Fan programmer for CIV.

    PS: I am not a user of all mods, I pick a few that make my task easier, for instance Production Queue.
     
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  8. Rup

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    You are not purist or old fashioned (modding is here for a loong time), you just lack imagination.
    Civilization IV is my favourite game of all time because of mods.Often times modders do stuffs a lot better than Firaxis.They don't have the best tools to do stuffs but they do have the brute manpower and talent and time.(only thing firaxis lack is time)

    If you have not played Civilization V with Vox Populi you have not played ideal Civilization V.

    Modding is just not about bending rules to suit someone.Civilization series is not focused on Multiplayer, negligible amount of players are interested in it. Modding can make the the game far better.

    PS:Some of the biggest series came as mods like Counter Strike and Dota.
     
  9. Rup

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    They are entertaining thousands and often millions of people with their product and also building portfolio.So no they are not wasting time.In your opinion every entertainer should quite their job or hobby and try to cure cancer ?
    There are specialist working on it.
     
  10. ezzlar

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    Think the OP has it the other way around. Modding is for creating a level playing field that the original devs failed at. I have never downloaded a mod that makes this games easier... Unless you count UI improvements or graphic improvements.
     
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  11. Kryxal

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    Mods can extend the game ... your choice about using that.

    Mods can alter balance ... again, your choice, though I'm not likely to do that.

    Mods can make the interface easier to manage ... these I like to use.

    Lumping all mods into "mods are bad, don't use them, don't make them" is just excessive...
     
  12. AmazonQueen

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    Often there isn't a right or wrong way to make a game, its about personal preference, and a games company can't possibly cater for everyones personal preference.
    In a game like Civ this is particularly evident in what civs make it into the game, what maps and map scripts, and what scenarios are available. Firaxis will try and cover what will be most in demand (but won't always get it right) but there will be a lot that would never be available without modders.

    It also applies to rules/mechanics etc. Some people want more complexity, realism, choices etc. Others don't.
     
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    I'm a scientist and I play Civ 6 with mods. I don't want to waste my time micromanaging each city, so I use production queue to cut down the management.
    And yes, I do research on serious stuff, but I also need to be able to unwind from intensive and complicated research.
    Maybe I'll use some of my talent at maths to rework the entire game rules in an epic mod expansion, or maybe I'll just expand chess to be epic.
     
  14. Lord Lakely

    Lord Lakely Unintentionally a feminist.

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    Mods improve the game, so yes.
     
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    I don't like mods that alter the gameplay significantly. I do like mods which make the AI better and improve a bad interface.

    Although with Civ IV there were some mods that were game changing, I like those mods because it was almost like playing a different game, not just a slightly altered version of Civ IV.

    I'd look at the mod as separate to Civ IV.
     
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  17. sukritact

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    Modding is how you got chess though. Chess is basically part of a gigantic related family of games including (but not limited to) Xiangqi, Shoggi, Makruk, Chaturanga, Senterej and Shatranj: someone somewhere must have decided to alter rules here and there.

    Modders mod the game as a form of entertainment so it's not much of a waste of time is it? I've learnt programming, 3D modeling and sculpting, graphic design, history, through modding, not to mention gaining myself a nice circle of friends in the modding community, so in some ways I'd argue it's self improvement.

    Besides, if your mods get big enough it affects what the community ends up wanting and what the devs end up doing. See CL's Australia and Cree mods. :p
     
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    The point? I don't like the way certain things are done in the game, or I feel one thing or another isn't fleshed out, interesting, or comprehensible enough. Yet there are no other games that provide as good a baseline for me (than in the Civ franchise). Indeed, I much prefer modding the game than playing it, so that's how I choose to spend my leisure time. I don't cure cancer but I feel I do important enough research in my work and I achieve well enough at university to justify using my leisure time as I please. And if others can benefit through enjoyment of what I do with that time, and if along the way - like Sukritact - I pick up knowledge and skills that I otherwise would not have (and I've certainly learned a lot about game design, history, programming, etc.), surely that's all the better. What a strange premise to start a thread on...
     
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  19. eleven11

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    Mods = Yes. Because I've played near 700 games and I like mixing it up. Plus they help hide some of the weaknesses I perceive or just generally improve the game in some way.
     
  20. Smity2k1

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    OP makes no sense at all.
     

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