Monarch Madness

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Strategy & Tips' started by Olfart, Aug 23, 2013.

  1. Olfart

    Olfart Black Briar Meademaster

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    OK, I've already learned that it's best to work the highest yield resources, even if they are further away. Dumb moves like this are what I'm trying to eliminate. Retried with settling 1SW. Scout just got eaten by a bear, so will send just completed warrior out to scout. BW is in. Just finished turn 30. Should I go for wheel next?
     

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  2. lymond

    lymond Rise Up! (Phoenix Style!) Moderator Hall of Fame Staff

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    whew! you meant your other SW :lol:

    Sounds good to me. I'd head straight to Alpha on this level. (TW>POT>Writing>Alpha)


    Honestly, I would have improved the Gold asap. You can work 3F cow until gold is improve. Losing X number of turns to get 1F from a tile that will be reimproved X number of turns anyway vs. a buttload of early commerce seems a waste. Build settler at size 3 and start choppin'

    The sooner you get that buttload of commerce, the sooner that buttload of commerce is going to boost your game ...a buttload
     
  3. Olfart

    Olfart Black Briar Meademaster

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    Inverse directional logic on SW. My fingers don't always agree with what my brain is thinking. I'm a big fan of precise scientific terminology. Buttload is certainly one of the best. Will go for the gold immediately and pump workers until 3Pop.
     
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    Your city doesn't grow when you build workers/settlers.
     
  5. enKage

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    I suppose he meant warriors
     
  6. Olfart

    Olfart Black Briar Meademaster

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    enKage is correct. I did mean warriors. Seem to be having problems getting my fingers to type what my brain is thinking.
     
  7. Olfart

    Olfart Black Briar Meademaster

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    my first warrior arrived just as I reached Pop3. Question is: should I send the warrior exploring while I whip a settler or save him to escort the settler. I also need to start thinking about where to put the second city. There's a river to the east with nearby hills and some nearby food that might be OK. (Marked in the screen shot) Would probably want to decide how soon research AH since I would now have cows in two places. At Noble, I would usually research Myst soon for border pops. I take this is not necessarily a good thing at this level? Decisions, decisions, decisions. I see know why early game choices are so critical. Thanks to all who are taking an interest in this game.
    Spoiler :
     
  8. enKage

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    The difference between noble and higher difficulties is that you need to wage what you are researching. You should always try to skip mist when possible by settling with food in inner ring. So the hills 1E would be better (2 food and hills in inner circle, actually this is better spot that many capitals have)
    More about: If you settle marked tile, you block the possibility to place additional city there to help growing cottages. If you settle where I suggest, you will still have a possibility to add another city 2N of wines.

    Just fortify wearrior somewhere around to safely escort settler.

    I think you should also go BW before Pottery, as pottery is rather useless now with little cottage tiles and more powerful tiles to work. How would you whip that settler w/o slavery? Going wheel before BW also was mistake in my opinion (no horses so no need for chariots). It is even bigger mistake if Justinian takes that juicy city before you, just because you spawned settler too late.


    Nice trick:
    You already met Justinian, so zoom out the map and turn on culture layer. You will see another pro for settlling corn in inner circle - otherwise Justinian will take it.
     
  9. Olfart

    Olfart Black Briar Meademaster

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    @enKage: That's what I get for sleeping. My intent was to research
    BW before wheel, and I understand your reasoning. At Noble, I've almost always gone BW first. Somehow, that got lost overnight. Restarting turn 30 with BW up next. Hope I haven't set myself back too much. To make sure I understand, put the second city on the hill 1E of where I marked?
     
  10. enKage

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    definitely YES
     
  11. Olfart

    Olfart Black Briar Meademaster

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    Second city is down, actually 1NE to get the two food in the initial square. What should be my first build? I started a warrior as a holding measure, but will switch based on wiser advice. I'm guessing with all the hills, this will ultimately be a production city. If so, is it better to farm all the river tiles and build mines? BW is in, and I have copper near Nidaros (yay). Sent the warrior there west to start fog busting and building an ax. Tentatively planning on a second worker following the ax. The thought occurs to me that with the river connection, I could research sailing next and connect the two cities that way. At what point do I research AH? Writing is almost in, so I presume I'll want a library in Nidaros soon. Here is where I am at the moment.
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    Sorry for all the questions, but it's clear to me that I need to completely rethink how I approach the game. I could usually muddle through on Noble, but that's not going to work here.
     

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  12. enKage

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    No sailing!

    You need now wheel-pottery to connect your cities and bring in Potteries.

    As you have copper, you want to go for Justinian early on, stealing workers and at least take his capital.

    Take your axe and enter Justinian land, grab his workers (do you have a woodman2 warrior?) and do anything not to allow him to expand. Double whip more eaxes to take his cities (Put max 4 hammers into axe, whip 2 population. You will get 1 axe from whipping and the second very soon because of huge overflow)

    It is also to early to decide which city would be production, you will work max 4-5 city tiles per city, so it does not make a problem if you cottage one tile and farm the other.

    In my opinion BTW your capital is more to production city (extremely powerful with Ironworks!), 2nd city has more green rivertiles for cottages, so it is more commerce.

    @Upssala
    I like early barracks there to mass whip better axes. You should have move your worker together with a settler to start farming corn immediately (you have 4 improved tiles in capital, enough unless you dont work more of them)
     
  13. Olfart

    Olfart Black Briar Meademaster

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    Wheel and pottery are already in. What do I research after writing? I'll take the ax and go raiding immediately. Plan to use my worker to whip a second ax so as to not leave Upsala undefended before moving worker to Upsala. Then a third settler or second worker? Do I understand that the first build in Upsala should be a barracks? I don't want to waste any production (I've done enough of that already).
     
  14. enKage

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    If you already have pottery, than first build should be granary (chop/whip). Ragnar can also whip barracks with 1 hammer invested, so it is worth doing before pumping up axes.

    Save the game and try to capture some workers from Byzantines.

    There are some nice spots to settle so you may build 3rd city
    BUT
    you have to decide:
    a) you expand peacefully and build workers / settlers
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    b) you attack Justinian and take his workers and cities.
    On Monarch+ it is almost always impossible to do these 2 things suimultanously, you have to completely devote to one of this option.

    Nonetheless I think you can whip 1 more worker with overflow to barracks / axe (cause you only have 1 and will get only 1 more while declaring war)

    IMHO this situation screams to rush Justinian ASAP. It is pretty late, but still possible if you manage to stop him from getting horses/copper
     
  15. Olfart

    Olfart Black Briar Meademaster

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    Would I be better off to start over and try to not repeat mistakes made so far? My goal here is less to win this particular game and more to unlearn bad habits accumulated over several years of poorly applied general principals. (Although it's always better to win.) I have no problem with repeating until I get it right. Since Rags is Agg, would the better approach be to plan early rushes on nearby neighbors. I now see that one of my errors has been failure to take advantage of the leadership traits.
     
  16. MarigoldRan

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    Don't rush Justinian. No need to capture his cities since you've got more than enough land to expand into.

    Choke him. Steal or two workers, cut off his horse, followed by his bronze. 2-3 axes is enough for that. Since you're financial, I'd consider settling on the wine to the left of your capital for the third city. Once the capital border pops, you also get the corn for that city.
     
  17. Olfart

    Olfart Black Briar Meademaster

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    Will finish researching writing in a couple of more turns. My original plan was to research Alph next. Is that still a good plan? Lacking Myst, what should I build first in a new city?
     

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