@Tempestra13 Thanks for the comments. I actually finished this one last night, with an AP win through vassals in 1857AD. Spoiler : As I said in my last update, I wasn't sure what victory type I wanted to go after. Luckily there's always some jerk like Ragnar to help me decide. Rags and his vassal Izzy declared war on Biz and I, so I fought off their stacks and counter attacked Izzy. After taking two cities, she breaks free from Ragnar and capitulates to me. Then I march across Saladin's lands and take one more of Ragnar's cities (he had 2 over on Izzy's side) and he capitulates as well. By this time Saladin is pleased with me, but I declare war on him anyway and it only takes one city before he throws in the towel and becomes my vassal, too. Sal looked like he was heading for a culture win. What I don't think I had mentioned in a previous post was that Bismarck had built the AP in Berlin, which was Hindu. While I was building up for the war on Joao (I didn't have enough transports), I sent out a few Hindu missionaries. Isabella and ragnar were running theocracy, so I had to gift them theirs. Saladin was in FR and I think Joao was in OR, so it was easy to spread it to one of their cities. A few turns before my landing party was finished, the AP diplo win came up. I was the only candidate. Not a bad score either. This was actually my first monarch win, but it didn't seem that hard. I realize from reading the other spoilers that everyone's games were different, and some people had a harder time. For me, there were no runaway AI, and some of the usual problem people didn't put up as much of a fight. Isabella didn't found a religion. Mehmed must have popped Mysticism from a hut, to get Polytheism so early, then he and Bismarck wonderspammed, making them both relatively easy targets. Joao was leading in tech most of the game, but I think because he didn't have a lot of trading partners, he wasn't as far ahead as he could have been. Ragnar was Ragnar, but instead of picking on the easy target, Saladin, he kept going after me. Also, because it was one long continent, he would send his troops all the way across the land instead of loading them on boats and hitting me in my weakly defended back. Not that I'm surprised I won at monarch, I knew I could. I just like prince because its easier and I can win almost every game at that difficulty.