Moore Invites Bush to 'Fahrenheit' screening

[CurtSibling]

I heard that guy in an interview on the radio. The goose-gander maxim certainly applies, but that guy is really a loon.

Being a loon never stopped anyone getting media glorification.

 

[CurtSibling]

Yup. Each one thinking the other is wrong.

Wrong.

I think the bloated 'capped crusader' and the Neo-Nitwits are both equally detestable.

 

[Uncle Sam]

Wrong.

Off topic, but does anyone else hate how smug Curtsibling is?

Go read a bible Curt.

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[kulade]

Off topic, but does anyone else hate how smug Curtsibling is?

Go read a bible Curt.

Bravo!
How long did it take you to figure that out?

 

[MarineCorps]

Go read a bible Curt.

Hell will freeze over before he so much as touches a bible. Then again it was said Hell would freeze over before Vb3 would comeout.

 

[Uncle Sam]

How long did it take you to figure that out?

I've been sitting on that one for awhile but i decided to wait until he next irked me to use it.

 

[Sims2789]

Here is a good link on Fahrenheit 911.

I read the first two and they fail to show evidence, and since I didn't feel like reading the other 55, I have classified it as a Lying Liar Website.

 

[cgannon64]

Sims, what do you mean they fail to show evidence? Michael Moore never showed evidence on the matter either. Why do you choose to beleive him?

EDIT: You're allowed to ignore the truth by labelling it as an enemy, but its really a sad sight.

EDIT 2: That is a great website...I have to write it down. A few of the points are silly (he argues against what is an obvious opinion or things Moore didn't actually say but imply, like in his montage of Iraqi children having fun) but in general its filled with good stuff.

 

[Duddha]

Sims, what do you mean they fail to show evidence? Michael Moore never showed evidence on the matter either. Why do you choose to beleive him?

EDIT: You're allowed to ignore the truth by labelling it as an enemy, but its really a sad sight.

EDIT 2: That is a great website...I have to write it down. A few of the points are silly (he argues against what is an obvious opinion or things Moore didn't actually say but imply, like in his montage of Iraqi children having fun) but in general its filled with good stuff.

I can't take that site seriously, when one of the points is "Moore Supports Terrorists". I wouldn't be suprised if many of the "facts" presented there are falsehoods, and it is too long and written to nasty a tone for me to actually read and refute in the time I spend online.

 

[cgannon64]

First off, he doesn't say Moore Supports Terrorists, he says Moore Supports the Iraq Insurgency, and in the quote of Moore, he sure seems to side with them, or if not that, at least romanticize them.

Second of all: I can put facts in quotes about Farenheit 911 too.

And finally, refusing to refute something and just giving it an overall dismissal without backing up your opinion with facts is one of the most ignorant things you can do, and it depresses me severly.

PROVE to me that its worth putting facts in quotes about.

 

[cgannon64]

And by the way, if you read the webpage and not the PDF (which I read first) he goes in much greater length about his points, and provides some evidence to back them up as well.

EDIT: Best example yet: Remember that quote by Bush, "Some call you the elite, I call you my base?" That was at a charity event to raise money for the poor. Gore also spoke at this event, and he also made fun of himself.

 

[Uncle Sam]

EDIT 2: That is a great website...I have to write it down. A few of the points are silly (he argues against what is an obvious opinion or things Moore didn't actually say but imply, like in his montage of Iraqi children having fun) but in general its filled with good stuff.

Yeah, i don't like everything the guy says either, but i think it's still a very good read. Unfortunately, just like with the Moore films, you have to already be thinking along those lines to like it.

 

[cgannon64]

Only on a few points do you really have to agree with him, when he reaches to make a point. Alot of the parts are just pure facts, plain and simple.

 

[newfangle]

Anyway, if this guy making the anti-Moore movie isn't a conservative, he'll be my favorite person alive. I respect no one more than someone who is against one side of the establishment, but doesn't fall into the the trap of the other, equally reactionary side.

Right on! If you were up north, I'd buy you a low carb chocolate milk.

 

[WillJ]

Hell will freeze over before he so much as touches a bible. Then again it was said Hell would freeze over before Vb3 would comeout.

And when CurtSibling admits that Hell has frozen over, Hell will freeze over again.

 

[MarineCorps]

And when CurtSibling admits that Hell has frozen over, Hell will freeze over again.

I wondered about that

 

[Bamspeedy]

I read the first two and they fail to show evidence, and since I didn't feel like reading the other 55, I have classified it as a Lying Liar Website.

Don't read the pdf file, that is just too brief. Read the site (you can scroll down past the first few paragraphs that gives some of the history and opinions). The site itself goes into more detail, provides links to his sources, and even has Moore's responses to most of these.

Scroll down until you see "2000 election night/Deceits 1-2" to get to the juicy stuff.

Moore is pretty truthful on the domestic issues and the patriot act.

The first part (Bush, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan) is so permeated with lies that most of the scenes amount to lies. The second, shorter part involves domestic issues and the USA PATRIOT Act. So far, I've identified only one clear falsehood in this segment (Rep. Porter Goss's toll-free number). So this part, at least arguably, presents useful information. The third part, on Iraq has several outright falsehoods--such as the Saddam regime's murder of Americans, and the regime's connection with al Qaeda. Other scenes in the third part--such as Iraqi casualties, interviews with American soldiers, and the material on bereaved mother Lila Lipscomb--are not blatant lies; but the information presented is so extremely one-sided (the only Iraqi casualties are innocents, nobody in Iraq is grateful for liberation, all the American soldiers are disillusioned, except for the sadists) that the overall picture of the Iraq War is false.

Earlier I saw him say something to the effect that if you do not agree that some of them are deceits, than he said to just not count them then. So, he said you could call it 54 deceits, or 50 deceits. I can't find that specific comment now, so maybe he editted that out when he included Moore's responses. Don't discredit the entire site because you don't agree with a couple of the points.

In this report, I number Moore’s deceits. Some of them are outright lies; some are omissions which create a false impression. Others involve different forms of deception. A few are false statements Moore has made when defending the film. Judge for yourself the credibility of Michael Moore's promise, "Every single fact I state in 'Fahrenheit 9/11' is the absolute and irrefutable truth...Do not let anyone say this or that isn't true. If they say that, they are lying."

I think some are surely following Moore's promise very closely.

Re: Election Night 2000, it is interesting to see that it was CBS and CNN and not Fox, that first declared Bush the winner! But, of course CBS just doesn't fit into the leftist visions of a conspiracy, so they conveniently 'forget' about that and only mention Fox (who didn't call it for Bush until FOUR hours after CBS did). The stations that called it for Gore called it before the polls even closed in the Florida panhandle, which could have cost Bush some votes.

At 10:00 p.m., which networks took the lead in retracting the premature Florida win for Gore? They were CNN and CBS, not Fox. (The two networks were using a shared Decision Team.) See Linda Mason, Kathleen Francovic & Kathleen Hall Jamieson, “CBS News Coverage of Election Night 2000: Investigation, Analysis, Recommendations” (CBS News, Jan. 2001), pp. 12-25.)

In fact, Fox did not retract its claim that Gore had won Florida until 2 a.m.--four hours after other networks had withdrawn the call.

Over four hours later, at 2:16 a.m., Fox projected Bush as the Florida winner, as did all the other networks by 2:20 a.m.

At 3:59 a.m., CBS took the lead in retracting the Florida call for Bush. All the other networks, including Fox, followed the CBS lead within eight minutes. That the networks arrived at similar conclusions within a short period of time is not surprising, since they were all using the same data from the Voter News Service. (Mason, et al. "CBS News Coverage.") As the CBS timeline details, throughout the evening all networks called states used VNS data to call states, even though VNS had not called the state; sometimes the network calls were made hours ahead of the VNS call.

 

[MarineCorps]

Follow up :

Michael Moore will be surrounded by more than just fans at the screening of “Fahrenheit 9/11” in Crawford, Texas tonight.

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The gadfly filmmaker plans to show his controversial documentary today in the town where Bush vacations, and a source says he intends on having armed guards there protecting him.

As The Scoop reported earlier, Moore has been getting death threats, and a source says the situation has gotten worse.

In fact, fellow filmmaker Spike Lee, while promoting his own film “She Hate Me,” has told interviewers that “they’re out to get” Moore who “has an armed guard 24/7.”

Moore’s rep couldn’t be reached for comment

 

[Daniel Khan]

He deserves death threats.

 

[cgannon64]

Go look up the definition of gadfly.