Quote bigfatron 'As a final thought, I don't believe people are universally born moral either - I meet enough blatantly immoral people in my daily life to not accept that - some people need to be taught morality, some people,will simply be immoral whenever they think they can get away with it. Criminal and civil law are there to discourage the worst of this behaviour, but the honest truth is that some people are sociopathic and just don't care. Frankly I am sceptical that fear of eternal damnation will achieve any more with such individuals.' Mental disorders, whatever there cause or origin, can not be accounted for as a human characteristic in the broad scale of humanity, but I'm sure you'll agree that every one has an in built inhabition not to kill, rape, maybe steal. Although we can over ride or rationalise the feelings that we get when we commit these acts, like any animal we are born with them. Socal conditioning and the religion that goes with it plays a big part in what we view as right and wrong, but there are basic 'morals' that are ingrained into our psyche that make up what we are as a species, not only becuase we are inherently social by nature, but because killing each other with out having to be learned not to would be a disaster for our survival.