Just thought I’d start a thread to see if anyone shared my interest in seeing more alternative leaders for existing civilizations, and if so which ones? When alternate leaders was announced as a feature of Civ VI, I was initially very excited. But after several DLC and an expansion pack there are only 2 alternate leader choices (Gorgo and Chandragupta) which is a little discouraging. So my question is, will there only be a couple of alternate leaders or is Firaxis simply waiting until the civ roster is filled out to release the others? To me, the unconventional leader choices in vanilla indicate the latter. There are still a few personalities missing that Civ just wouldn’t be the same without. Personally, the leaders I’m most looking forward to seeing included are: AMERICA Pre-20th Century Leader While I’m not against seeing Washington or Lincoln again, I would much rather have Jefferson. He is more than worthy of inclusion in the game, and his dialogue would be some of the most interesting in game, if his IRL quotes are anything to go by. Plus, he would nicely round out the Rushmore presidents now that there’s Teddy to raise Ameriker into the limelight. CHINA Literally Anyone but Wu or Mao I’m serious. There’s 4,000 years of Chinese history to draw from and in over two decades of Civ we’ve only ever seen 3 leaders. If Firaxis wants to go modern I see nothing wrong with Sun Yat-Sen, who has the rare honor of being well liked in both China AND Taiwan. And if they insist on choosing a woman, Cixi has tons of personality and ruled de facto in the same vein as CdM. But better yet if we get one of the emperors who reaffirmed China’s prominent role in world affairs; Taizong, Kangxi, and the Yongle Emperor being just a few of many suitable examples. EGYPT An Actual Egyptian Sorry, but Elizabeth Taylor just doesn’t cut it for me, and as much fun as Ramses would be again, Hatshepsut has been criminally underrepresented not only in Civ but in the popular imagination. While not exactly a household name like King Tut or Nefertiti, she was a remarkably capable leader both militarily and domestically and deserves recognition (that wax figure from Civ IV of the same name notwithstanding), and besides, who wouldn’t want to see a leader in drag? But if she’s overlooked yet again (which I suspect she will be), Akhenaten or Khufu would have some interesting religious and production bonuses, at least. ENGLAND Good Queen Bess I am very interested in a trade agreement with England, so long as Elizabeth is the leader. She might be a little overfamiliar to some but I’d be lying if I said I wouldn’t miss her. Elizabeth ticks all the boxes of being a big personality, a woman, and actually good at ruling. Additionally, she is very versatile gameplay-wise and could be taken in a totally different direction than the expansionist Victoria. The capital may be an issue, but luckily Lizzie lived in a number of castles around England during her lifetime, so choosing one of them wouldn’t be too much of a stretch. FRANCE You Alreary Know Who The Little General everyone loves to hate. I’ll admit, it just doesn’t feel like Civ until I’ve wiped that pretentious smirk off Napoleon’s face after sacking his last city. That said, I would have liked to see Louis XIV at some point but since we already have CdM representing the ancien régime, that seems unlikely. Again, the capital is a bit of an issue but since he was famously Corsican, I’m sure there’s some solution. GERMANY The Other Guy with the Mustache No, not the one you’re thinking of, as much fun as he would be to destroy. However, since I don’t see them having two Fredericks in game, and HRE is already represented, I don’t see many other viable options except Otto Von Walrus. Oh, well, at least maybe he’ll wear the pickelhaube this time. JAPAN Total Civ: Shogun With all the off-the-wall leader choices in Civ VI, I’m secretly holding out for Himiko, the semi-mythical sorceress queen. I mean, if Dido made it in, why not her? But in all seriousness, if Japan gets a second leader, and that’s a pretty big if, it will most likely definitely 100% be a samurai. And since Oda got his turn in Civ V, I’m leaning towards our cranky old friend Tokugawa making a comeback. SPAIN “Saint Holier-Than-Thou” Isabella Yes, we already get a fair share of bible thumping from Felipe the Human Chin. Though all his swashbuckling still isn’t enough to inspire the “nun-with-a-ruler” level of Catholic terror as Isabella. Not to mention she presided over two of the most significant events in world history - the discovery of the New World and the expulsion of the last Muslim stronghold from Europe. Oh, and her marriage to Ferdinand of Aragon literally created the modern country of Spain, which should be more than enough to earn Isabella a spot in the Civ roster. ROME Why Don’t We All Just Stab Caesar? I don’t have anything against Julius and Augustus Salad, but these same two guys back to back ad nauseum just made me all the more grateful for Trajan. And if we do get more alternate leaders, there’s no way Rome isn’t going to get one. Over its millenium or so of glory, Rome was blessed (and cursed) by some of the most animated rulers in history. A flamboyantly gay Hadrian, a moody Marcus Aurelius, and a pious Constantine would all be fantastic. As would Nero and Caligula, who will never be included for obvious reasons. However, my intuition tells me the lack of a Byzantium civ or any other suitable capitals for Rome means that in all likelihood Constantine is going to be the alternate, based out of Constantinople, natch. RUSSIA Vladimir. Vladimirovich. Putin. Just kidding, although poison and the ability to rig elections would be great additions to Civ VI. The obvious choice would be Catherine, with a focus on military and social policies as opposed to Peter’s affinity for science and culture. However, I would be pleasantly surprised by a dark horse like Ivan the Terrible or Vladimir Lenin (and, yes, I know the odds of a Soviet leader in game are very slim, but Lenin isn’t nearly as reviled as Stalin is and he’s been a Civ leader before). Is there anyone I’m forgetting? Anyone you disagree with including? Let me know!