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More friends than enemies: Polling results dispel myths about the Muslim world

Ziggy Stardust

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First off, yeah it's a poll. An extensive poll, with a larger base than the usual polls, but a poll nonetheless. One of the reasons I post this is to counter polls which say the oposite. Another one I'll get back to. Do not take these results for granted, but be aware that the results in other polls contradict this one. Polls are highly manipulative. You can make them sit up, fetch and play dead.

Having said that, it's nice to have a shield for whenever someone throws other poll-results in my face. "80% of muslims think westerners are poopyfaces". You know the kind.

I added some ed's where I distance myself from the writer.
More friends than enemies: Polling results dispel myths about the Muslim world

By: Z. S. Justus

A recent large-scale poll by the Gallup organization has painted a picture of the Islamic world that may be surprising to many Americans. [ed me: why the focus on Americans? what a bullcrap remark to make, the sentiment is just as strong, or even stronger with Europeans] The group surveyed 50,000 Muslims in 40 countries representing over 90% of the world’s Muslims [ed me: missleading you don't know in what way the population of those polled are spread.]. In a forthcoming book authors John Esposito and Dalia Mogahed report on many of the survey findings.

The concept of the “moderate Muslim” has been a source of intrigue and controversy for sometime, but has taken on increased importance since 9/11. Some Muslims have taken a liberal stance while many alarmists believe the title “moderate” is more fiction than fact. The quality work done by Gallup goes a long way towards settling this debate. Esposito and Mogahed reported some of their team’s findings on the Gallup Web site, writing,

“Majorities of both men and women in many predominantly Muslim countries want to see Islamic principles, Sharia, as a source of legislation. These respondents have much in common with the majority of Americans who wish to see the Bible as a source of legislation. Both groups emphasize the importance of family values and are deeply concerned about issues of social morality. In fact, what respondents in the Muslim world and a significant number of Americans say they admire least about Western civilization is an excessive libertinism in society.”

It is critical to note that their survey results and analysis do not downplay the importance of Islam to the lives of citizens in Muslim countries. However, the importance of Islam to Muslims underscores a connection to Christians in the West rather than a separation as both groups want to see their religion respected within the halls of government.

Aside from this important contribution, the survey results reported by Espostio and Mogahed reveal several important facts. First, while some commentators in the United States associate Islamic principles with a commitment to violent extremism, the results of the survey showed just the opposite. 93% of the 50,000 Muslims surveyed unequivocally condemned the attacks of 9/11 with many citing religious reasons including the Koran’s stance against the taking of innocent life. By stark contrast “radical Muslims gave political, not religious, reasons for condoning the attacks.” This survey result points unmistakably towards the Muslim religion as an ally for the United States and political extremism, perhaps couched in religious rhetoric, as the true threat.

Second, the book and survey results have, thus far, been extremely well received in parts of the Muslim world. For instance, Lebanon daily star reporter Khouri writes that the book, “has the potential to change perceptions of millions of people, and, by doing so, perhaps to change policies of governments for the better.” This would seem to indicate that at least some commentators are eager to build stronger relationships with the United States built on mutual understanding rather than mistrust.

Public opinion research has long been a focus of communication scholarship. Herbst (1993) draws a clear line between public opinion polling and political directions of the United States. We can only hope that policymakers will be equally compelled to act based on results from international polling. In the United States[ed me: :mad:] many people have worked hard to find points of contrast between “us and them” it is time to start finding points of connection instead.

Source

The last line convinced me to post the article. I can get behind that sentiment.
 
Great. That still leaves 70 million Muslims that supported the attacks of 9/11.
 
About 70 million Americans believe in all sorts of conspiracies surrounding 911.

"it is time to start finding points of connection instead."

See how that works? :D
 
Great. That still leaves 70 million Muslims that supported the attacks of 9/11.

i guess there also are a few hundred million non-muslims who think that way, plus a lot of people thinking "what do i care about some american skyscrapers", but what's the point?
 
About 70 million Americans believe in all sorts of conspiracies surrounding 911.

"it is time to start finding points of connection instead."

See how that works? :D


See how what works? It just goes to show that there are lot crazy f'ers out there.
 
Great. That still leaves 70 million Muslims that supported the attacks of 9/11.

Out of 1,1 billion, 70 million is 6*10 raised to the power of -4.

In relative terms this is quite small.
 
i guess there also are a few hundred million non-muslims who think that way, plus a lot of people thinking "what do i care about some american skyscrapers", but what's the point?

Well, I was just pointing out that 93 percent sounds like a good number, but when you apply that percentage to the actual "Muslim World", then you still have 70 million of them who support the attacks. How is this NOT relevant to our discussion?
 
Well, I was just pointing out that 93 percent sounds like a good number, but when you apply that percentage to the actual "Muslim World", then you still have 70 million of them who support the attacks. How is this NOT relevant to our discussion?

yeah, that is a fact, but what you're gonna do?
 
Disco, my point exacly.

Oh, I see.

I'll take this opportunity to point out that I don't take sides in this conflict. There are a bunch of jerk-offs on both sides (Muslims and American/Western) that got the rest of us into this. I've been quite aware that 90-some percent of us have nothing to do with it.

A bunch of American idiots support brutal dictators, inhibit the will of the Muslim people, and interfere in the domestic situation in those countries and they fly airplanes into our buildings.

A bunch of Muslim idiots fly a bunch of airplanes into our buildings and we decide to take the balance of the weight of the buildings and return it to the Muslims in the form of bombs for everyone, innocent or not.

We bomb the crap out of them and they in return target our media personnel and troops, cutting off heads and limbs.

They attack our troops, contractors, and media people, we go into a town and "sweep" the area for terrorists, usually killing our fair share of civilians along the way.

We kill some terrorists and some women and children, and destroy entire neighborhoods, and they decide to come back with...

...its a vicious cycle and 90-some percent of us don't want it, but the 5-some percent who keep trying the same things that never worked before are still in charge still trying the same things that never worked before.

Hello, John McCain.

BOHICA.
 
About 70 million Americans believe in all sorts of conspiracies surrounding 911.

"it is time to start finding points of connection instead."

See how that works? :D

No, I don't see how that works.

70 million americans is roughly 1/2 the adult population (18-65). I don't think 1/2 the adults in america are truthers. Your number is invented, the original number you refer to is not. There is neither accuracy, scale, nor coorelation to your game. There are, however, millions upon millions of muslims "radical" enough to justify 911.

Equating the real world threat of a significant ignorant hating fundy population to truthers doesn't work for me.
 
“Majorities of both men and women in many predominantly Muslim countries want to see Islamic principles, Sharia, as a source of legislation. These respondents have much in common with the majority of Americans who wish to see the Bible as a source of legislation. Both groups emphasize the importance of family values and are deeply concerned about issues of social morality. In fact, what respondents in the Muslim world and a significant number of Americans say they admire least about Western civilization is an excessive libertinism in society.”

It's invisible dictatorial douchebags in the sky ALL OVER THE PLACE.
 
No, I don't see how that works.

70 million americans is roughly 1/2 the adult population (18-65). I don't think 1/2 the adults in america are truthers. Your number is invented, the original number you refer to is not. There is neither accuracy, scale, nor coorelation to your game. There is, however, millions upon millions of muslims "radical" enough to justify 911.
Oh, you picked an error in my jest, not my game. My number was indeed invented. Well done, woe is me. Would you concede to 7% of american adults?
Equating a real world threat of significant ignorant hating fundy population to truthers doesn't work for me.
The fundy population doesn't condone 911, the politically motivated do, accoording to the poll.
By stark contrast “radical Muslims gave political, not religious, reasons for condoning the attacks.” This survey result points unmistakably towards the Muslim religion as an ally for the United States and political extremism, perhaps couched in religious rhetoric, as the true threat.
 
One of my best friends is Muslim, and I lived with him for 2 years. This comes as no suprise.

Yah.

"After years of research: Muslims are just people, too."

BFD.

And this still won't accomplish squat in terms of getting alarmists to shut up, because alarmists do their thing with little concern for facts as it is.
 
7% of Americans probably would like to see Iraq nuked.

7% of people believe a lot of crazy s***
 
I know this won't convince anyone who doesn't want to be. But it's a nice link as a counter to other claims based on polls. "Muslims are so evuhl, look at this poll".
 
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