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More goverments please!

Discussion in 'Civ3 - General Discussions' started by fascistdictator, Nov 18, 2002.

  1. fascistdictator

    fascistdictator Chieftain

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    I cant believe that PTW did not add at least one single goverment. I know, I know you have heard this before. If anyone out there has a download with some more goverments that is compatible with PTW please let me know. And I dont mean something like going into the editor and typing something up and hitting add, with no graphics or special goverment based units.
     
  2. Sultan Bhargash

    Sultan Bhargash Trickster Reincarnated

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    Was that really Attila the Hun's quote? I thought it was Napolean...

    Look in the Mods forum, I think the Fascist Patch exists, then you could live up to your namesake and be a fascistdictator.

    Yes we have it heard it before but it bears repeating... more governments would have been appreciated.
     
  3. Mercade

    Mercade the Counsellor

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    Perhaps some form of pacifist / hippie / communal government could be added. A bit like communism in terms of waste being moderate all throughout the the empire, but that you are forbidden from declaring war and suffering war weariness as badly as in a democracy (but then when you are attacked by someone else). This would then be interesting for people who want to have a cultural or diplomatic victory.
     
  4. Spidoinkel

    Spidoinkel Chieftain

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    that would suck, it has no perks, you cant be aggressive because everyone gets weary, you cant be peaceful because you can still be attacked and you suffer corruption. Bit pointless. A good government would be one that allows for accelerated food production but amazingly diminished shield production, that way you can draft in times of need and have huge population but wont be producing that much, making conscription more viable. It could have a small amount of waste to make the few shields you earn worthwhile and corruption would be moderate.
     
  5. farting bob

    farting bob ThEy MaDe Me Do iT.

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    apart from fascist government, what over major governments are there?
     
  6. amadeus

    amadeus Large Marge sent me

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    Theocracy, feudalism (though monarchy covers this well), and centralism.
     
  7. Zcylen

    Zcylen Moonlight Rambler

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    In my games I added 3 more governments:
    fascism (triggered by nationalism), capitalism (triggered by feudalism) and fundamentalist (triggered by monotheism)
    still on test but I like to have different choices, besides, anarchy still produces shields and money, not much but at least it produces.
    Im just trying to make a good balance in every option.
     
  8. Hamlet

    Hamlet Manic Depressive

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    I wouldn't say that classes as an actual means of government. The battle between Centralisation/De-Centralisation has existed since the dawn of time (Almost) and is being played out in every government type. The same goes for capitalism. It isn't a method of structuring the government, but an economic theory and practise. Captialism can exist under dictatorships and democracy. Having it as a government type doesn't mean a thing.

    There shouldn't be governments just for the sake of governments. There should however, be some more than there are now to make things more intresting. Fascism should definetley be included officially. Perhaps Theocracy. Not many more, if at all, though.
     
  9. Sultan Bhargash

    Sultan Bhargash Trickster Reincarnated

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    Oligarchy- rule by select council
    Plutocracy- rule by $, one dollar one vote
    Empire- what I'd most like to see in Civ, a way to have overseas cities that functioned without massive corruption, and maybe get the option to pay cash or pop citizens to rush things, and maybe a higher cash upkeep for armies in exchange for no war weariness. Or some such.
     
  10. farting bob

    farting bob ThEy MaDe Me Do iT.

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    i said major governments sultan. name a country with plutocracy as it's official government.
     
  11. jpowers

    jpowers Emperor

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    I don't see a good way to have oligarchy implemented unless in multiplayer you could have more than one player controlling the same Civ.

    Plutocracy could be implemented with some fun commercial and corruption traits.

    Empire would be great - that's what the game's all about anyway.
     
  12. farting bob

    farting bob ThEy MaDe Me Do iT.

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    corruption would be at 90% or some realy insane number. :lol:
    empire could work, although i think having indevidual states in a republic would be good.

    just some doodles........
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    :vomit::viking::rocket2:
     
  13. Tiger_Nation

    Tiger_Nation Warlord

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    A good government could be military occupancys you could have a certain period of time to be liberated by another civ and you could have great fun organising terrorism and you could do a lot of gureila (can't spell it) warfare.
     
  14. Sim_One

    Sim_One Emperor

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    Fundamentalism and Fascism are big ones missing.

    Other possibilities:
    Eudaimonia: Deomcracy on steroids
    Thought Control: "1984"
     
  15. dreadknought

    dreadknought timelord

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    Play the double your pleasure mod (double govt) its a blaST......DREAD:D
     
  16. gugalpm

    gugalpm Veteran of psychic wars

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    Centralism is a way of governing, not a goverment.
    The fundamentalism (theocracy) was perfect in the actual conjuncture. What the hell did they have in mind to take it off?
    And like Eric Cartman says: "I hate hippies, I wanna kick them in the nuts!"
     
  17. DaDoo

    DaDoo Prince

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    The fundamental govt in civ2 was a bit flawed. The fanatic unit with no upkeep means anybody using that just send waves after waves of hundreds of fanatics at Mech Inf like a suicide mission. It's fine if only the human player do that, could you imagine if all the AI doing that at the same time? we'd have thousands of units on the map and waiting for orders. Each turn would take hours.

    What I think we could have had is like a more "upgrade" or "modern" form of some of the govt. For example, I think Democracy is more or less an "upgrade" from Republic. Same perks, less corruption, but you get more war wariness. we could get 1 "upgrade" per govt? One for Despotism, monarchy, and Communism?
     
  18. Sultan Bhargash

    Sultan Bhargash Trickster Reincarnated

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    I like it:

    Despotism into Fascism
    Monarchy into Empire
    Communism into Socialism
     
  19. gugalpm

    gugalpm Veteran of psychic wars

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    Did I mention the fanatic unit?
    I mentioned the government.
     
  20. WillJ

    WillJ Coolness Connoisseur

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    Actually didn't ALL units cost no upkeep in Civ2 fundamentalism? The only real drawback to that gov was that science output was cut in half.

    I don't think fundamentalism should be included, as it isn't really a government. It is more like a "condition." Most fundamentalist states would be monarchies, wouldn't they? However I do think fascism should be included.
     

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