[POLL] More Wonders for VP

adan_eslavo · May 8, 2020

Another info update for upcoming patch:

Peterhof will be regular wonder;
Brandenburg Gate will become Imperialism wonder;
Some wonders will have longer time to build (if someone uses MaxEraRestriction): all tier 3 policy wonders from Industrial era and Orszaghaz.
added max era for all existing wonders;
new Bakken icon:

PS. I urgently need an artist in my team Much work to do and making an art slows me down significantly. An my art is not the best.

@Cat-du-fromage I checked if after reloading game recognizes wonder and sets dummies correctly and I cannot find any issue. I have no idea why you get so much xp. And in your version there is still 2XP from Zimbabwe per TR, and that means you have over 70 dummies! @HungryForFood Do you have any idea why he has such problems in multi if single works correctly?

gwennog · May 9, 2020

adan_eslavo said:
Then that's weird. Like lua was not working as intended. Or some functions were disabled.

I rarely play Authority and I hadn't had the opportunity to build The Great Zimbawe, I confirm the bug noted by Cat-du-fromage.
It isn't a mutltiplayer problem since it's a singleplayer game.
I have done the XP calculations and I think that all the trade routes involved (or available) are counted, not sure it helps.
I looked at the code to try to understand but I'm not good enough, I don't even know when to fire: Events.UnitActionChanged.Add(SetDummiesOnUnitActionChange) :blush:

Sorry that I couldn't help more.

adan_eslavo · May 9, 2020

gwennog said:
Sorry that I couldn't help more.

Yes you can!

Then if you have it in single player can you tell me how many dummies are set for zimbabwe with IGE? This would tell me if the code for dummy setting is broken.

Qalhat uses similar code. Can you confirm it has the bug too?

gwennog · May 9, 2020

adan_eslavo said:
Then if you have it in single player can you tell me how many dummies are set for zimbabwe with IGE? This would tell me if the code for dummy setting is broken.

What IGE ? Ingame Editor ?
can I join my game by adding this mod or should I replay a game?

adan_eslavo said:
Qalhat uses similar code. Can you confirm it has the bug too?

I never built it yet but I will try.

adan_eslavo · May 9, 2020

Try to load the same save with In-Game Editor enabled. Should work.

gwennog · May 10, 2020

adan_eslavo said:
Try to load the same save with In-Game Editor enabled. Should work.

It works

I have in my capital (city with Great Zimbawe) 4 BUILDING_GREAT_ZIMBABWE_DUMMY and I control actually 4 trade routes.
XPs Bonus are 83 with :
Barracks : 15
Armory : 20
Order : 15
Great zimbabwe : approximately 75 (because I play in quick speed)
50 + 75 = 125 *2/3 = 83.333

I have seven cities.

To complete, I removed Great Zimbabwe and Dummies from my capital with IGE and the surplus of XP continues.

adan_eslavo · May 10, 2020

So if number of dummies is set correctly, then what can be the source of those xp? @Cat-du-fromage said it happens only when Great Zimbabwe is built. Can you check all other cities you own? Maybe it is set in more than one city, and because XP bonus from dummy is global, it stacks up? By default dummies should be set only in city with GZ.

Maybe it is a VP thing? Can you do further investigation?

adan_eslavo · May 10, 2020

BTW @gwennog, @Cat-du-fromage @AndreyK, @pineappledan I have 2 questions regarding your gameplay:

I set population requirements for Brooklyn (15 citizens in Industrial) and CN Tower (25 Citizens in Information). Could you elaborate they are not too low or too high in those eras? How much population do your cities have?
Similar question for GWs.
- I set currently 3 Art for Uffizi (Renaissance) and 4 for Museum Island and Louvre (Industrial), but I think of raising them all by one. Possible?
- I set 2 Music for Broadway (Modern) and 3 for Sydney (Information).
- How many GWs of any type (Literature too) do you have in you average culture based gameplay?

Current late game requirements:

AndreyK · May 10, 2020

I play on large map Planet Simulator with 12 AI and 24 CS on epic speed and I use a number of modmods:
C Events, Events & Des, VP Bare Necessities, EE, Ancient, Medieval & Ren, Industrial, Strategic Buildings, NW Collection, 4 UC, WC Reformation and I have to delay scientific advancement, so my gameplay differs from standard.
But in Industrial my capital usually in 40-48 and my 6-7 other developed cities well in 33-38.
Using Decisions give me with every era since Medieval 1 additional GW/GA/GM so by Industrial I have 4 of them, it could be 2 GW and 2 GA or GA and 3 GM or other combination.
GW not counting from conquest, (in culture based if I play as Arabia or Japan, Greece, Siam) I usually have by Industrial (in middle of Era) of Writing 6-8 and I use as culture bombs about 5-8 (because by Industrial I am able to faithbuy 3, also as Japan buy 3 GG/GA, as Arabia even more, as any WW and GP gives 20% to random GP), of Art 8-12 (depends on number spent for GA points, wonders I able to get other factors)
GM 6-12.

gwennog · May 10, 2020

adan_eslavo said:
So if number of dummies is set correctly, then what can be the source of those xp? @Cat-du-fromage said it happens only when Great Zimbabwe is built. Can you check all other cities you own? Maybe it is set in more than one city, and because XP bonus from dummy is global, it stacks up? By default dummies should be set only in city with GZ.

I recalled my save when building Great Zimbabwe. Problem start immediately (the next turn, time to create a unit)
Capital have the Wonder and 2 dummies (3 trades routes but one finished the turn I constructed GZ)

With print markers in lua code

Spoiler Lua Code :

Turn of creation 115

Spoiler Lua.log :

Send the third trade route (in the same turn)

Spoiler Lua.log :

new turn 116 : create a unit
18 XPs, should be 16 (15 barracks + 3*3 trades routes)*2/3
IGE : 3 Dummies
3 trade routes actives

Spoiler Lua.log :

next turn 117 : create a unit
22 XPs should be 16 (15 barracks + 3*3 trades routes)*2/3
IGE : 5 Dummies
3 trade routes actives

Spoiler Lua.log :

Next turn 118 : create a unit
26 XPs, should be 16 (15 barracks + 3*3 trades routes)*2/3
IGE : 4 Dummies

Spoiler Lua.log :

Next turn 119 : create a unit
32 XPs, should be 16 (15 barracks + 3*3 trades routes)*2/3
IGE : 2 Dummies
3 trade routes actives

Spoiler Lua.log :

I don't really see a correlation between these data but the lua does not seem to work properly.

adan_eslavo · May 10, 2020

Thanks for your help. I must look into that more deeply then...

adan_eslavo · May 10, 2020

New stuff - first attempt:

adan_eslavo · May 10, 2020

I replicated the bug, but have no idea what's going on. @pineappledan, @HungryForFood, @psparky, @Asterix Rage: can you look at my code and/or Building_DomainFreeExperiencesGlobal (same like for Brandenburg) function in dll and tell me why the XP number gifted to units rises almost randomly? I analysed the code, used printed statements, checked dummies, and still have no clue what's going on...

I found only missing:

Code:

if ePlayer == eZimbabweOwner then

but it was not the source of the problem

Number of dummies is steady in my example game: 3-5 active trade routes, same number of dummies, 1 land, 4 sea. But the XP number grows. I played up to 64 XP. I noticed jumps by 4 XP sometimes more. Speed: fast like for @gwennog.

Cat-du-fromage · May 11, 2020

adan_eslavo said:
I set population requirements for Brooklyn (15 citizens in Industrial) and CN Tower (25 Citizens in Information). Could you elaborate they are not too low or too high in those eras? How much population do your cities have?

Is it a requierement for the city itself or national citizen like national wonder?

anyway, 15 citizens (city or national) is achieve by almost all city in industrial era, i have at least 20 citizens in almost all my cities.

for the CN tower... difficult to say, we often finish our game before reaching this era, but maybe in our current game we may go further.

adan_eslavo said:
Similar question for GWs.

I set currently 3 Art for Uffizi (Renaissance) and 4 for Museum Island and Louvre (Industrial), but I think of raising them all by one. Possible?

I set 2 Music for Broadway (Modern) and 3 for Sydney (Information).

How many GWs of any type (Literature too) do you have in you average culture based gameplay

i'm currently playing authority/artistry/imperialism and i could fill those wonder even if you raising them all by one. Currently( early industrial era) i have : 6 writing art (+3 i use for culture boost), 2 artist art (+ 4 i use for golden age point), 5 music art.
(note i didn't digg any of the antiquity site in my territory)

my fear is more about the theming requirements, we don't trade great work in multiplayer, we considere this a waste of time for (+4 yield), as for wonders.... knowing that your opponent has a wonder that would gave him +10 yield bonus, you don't want to give him that bonus. So trade is out of question

do you know if there is a way to remove those conditions?

adan_eslavo · May 11, 2020

There's probably no other way than changing sql by yourself. All those requirements are set in table Building_ThemingBonuses and if you set them to 0 then you will need to fill the slots only, but what's the point of theming then?

tibu · May 11, 2020

I just researched Trade (and founded Eraclea with the GM), but I can't build Petra. Desert city plus an adjacent Mountain should be enough no? Am I missing something? (It has not been build by someone else yet)

Spoiler :

adan_eslavo · May 11, 2020

tibu said:
I just researched Trade (and founded Eraclea with the GM), but I can't build Petra. Desert city plus an adjacent Mountain should be enough no? Am I missing something? (It has not been build by someone else yet)

Spoiler :

View attachment 555278

Good catch. Petra as changed couple of times and I forgot to delete NoCoast requirement. You cannot build it because your city is coastal. In next release it will be fixed, so Petra will need only Mountain (any not only near) and Desert. Sorry for trouble.

gwennog · May 11, 2020

adan_eslavo said:
I set population requirements for Brooklyn (15 citizens in Industrial) and CN Tower (25 Citizens in Information). Could you elaborate they are not too low or too high in those eras? How much population do your cities have?

To build Brooklyn, I think 25 citizen in the city minimum
To CN Tower, I not sure population are the good choice, have a lot of people to gain a lot of people ? Happiness limitation like Bakken or X great works of music in all cities ?

adan_eslavo said:
Similar question for GWs.

I set currently 3 Art for Uffizi (Renaissance) and 4 for Museum Island and Louvre (Industrial), but I think of raising them all by one. Possible?

I set 2 Music for Broadway (Modern) and 3 for Sydney (Information).

How many GWs of any type (Literature too) do you have in you average culture based gameplay?

For me, theming bonus of GW > 2 are too weak, adding a GW to get them further complicates the matter and prioritizes combinations of 2 IMO
I don't like Le Louvre and I build it rarely, I don't no why but I find it weak (but the real one is definitely worth the detour.

). A good addition would be that it gives archaeologists a promotion to cross borders and collect without open border.

In a average culture game (if I play tradition), in end of industrial era :
4 GW of literature + 3-4 Culture boost
4 GW of art + 1-2 golden age boost
2-3 GW of music

adan_eslavo · May 11, 2020

Regarding Louvre: Sorry, but I avoid like hell touching base Wonders. You can suggest that on VP github if you find it weak. There is already similar problem with Brandenburg Gate.
Thanks for your suggestions.

gwennog · May 12, 2020

adan_eslavo said:
Regarding Louvre: Sorry, but I avoid like hell touching base Wonders.

No problem, with three artistry Wonders, I will be able to choose the one I prefer.

[POLL] More Wonders for VP

What exclusive Enlightenment Era World Wonders you would like to see added in this mod (max. 3)

Wat Pho (Thailand) (around1688) tied to Economics

Buckingam Palace (England) (1703) tied to Navigation

Paro Taktsang (Bhutan) (1692) tied to EE-Flintlock

Bell Rock Lighthouse (Scotland) (1810) tied to EE-Wargames

Yellowstone National Park (USA) (1872) tied to EE-Wargames

Arc de Triomphe (France) (around 1830) tied to EE-Wargames

Bastille (France) (from XIV to late XVIII) (but as a prison) tied to EE-Fortifications

Taman Sari (Indonesia) (1765) tied to EE-Fortifications

Stone Town (Tanzania) (1830-1840) tied to EE-Fortifications

Bolshoi Theater (Russia) (1776/1825/1856) tied to EE-Romanticism

other (suggest in the thread, please)

Canal du Midi (France) (1681) tied to Navigation

Fontanna di Trevi (Italy) (1776) tied to Economics

Modlin Fortress (Poland) (1806) tied to EE-Fortifications

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