Mudslinging (Informal)

[Immortal]

RM:Im glad you know what a report post button is, and Im not going to overstep my boundries by saying anything more.

 

[Bill_in_PDX]

I think it is pretty difficult for the citizens to police themselves on an issue such as this. Who gets to decide what is mudslinging and what is not?

Please don't say Chief Justice

I think sort of thing is exactly why the mods are here.

 

[Sarevok]

Guess what the "Report a post"-button is for? - If you want a mod to focus on a specific post, that is the way to draw attention to it.

My personal opinion: Fierce debates which include the past: Yes.
Mudslinging: No, these fall under the forum rules.

I have probably used the report-a-post option about 25 times this year. It has been acted upon about 4 times. Every time was a serious insult, yet it was almost never acted upon.

 

[GenMarshall]

I think it is pretty difficult for the citizens to police themselves on an issue such as this. Who gets to decide what is mudslinging and what is not?

Please don't say Chief Justice

I think sort of thing is exactly why the mods are here.

Chief Justice. Sorry, I could not resist Bill

 

[eyrei]

I have probably used the report-a-post option about 25 times this year. It has been acted upon about 4 times. Every time was a serious insult, yet it was almost never acted upon.

Just because you consider something a serious insult doesn't mean it breaks the forum rules or even that it was intended as such. Plus, you have not used the report post option more than a few times in the demogame forums, so stop exaggerating.

 

[DaveShack]

I think that discussion of facts from the past (and present) is a perfectly legitimate political strategy. I do wish that there was a requirement to quote other people in context instead of extracting a couple of words from a sentence and using it out of context to mischaracterize that person's position, but can live with things how they are.

 

[Sarevok]

Just because you consider something a serious insult doesn't mean it breaks the forum rules or even that it was intended as such. Plus, you have not used the report post option more than a few times in the demogame forums, so stop exaggerating.

I wasnt talking exclusively about the DG forums... Also I only use the report If I am seriously offended by what someone has said. Once I was deeply offended by a comment made to me in the Custom Scenario forum, reported it, and absolutely nothing happened. What this person did was clearly against the rules, yet it was simply ignored. I do not go around and pick fights to report people, they come to me. Perhaps I should start being "care-free" when people throw things against me meant specifically to ruin all I have achieved and simply say "oh well, it happens?" I refuse to be anyone's puppet anymore, and I will not stand for any pathetic attempt to try to bring me down.

I think that discussion of facts from the past (and present) is a perfectly legitimate political strategy. I do wish that there was a requirement to quote other people in context instead of extracting a couple of words from a sentence and using it out of context to mischaracterize that person's position, but can live with things how they are.

I actually agree with you somewhat on this that it is something legitimate. But in this forum, it gets far too personal. I personally believe under the right circumstances a person can learn from their mistakes and do good. Some people however have made rather hefty mistakes or errors, but soon after learned from it. Nobody else however knows that here and will never give them a chance because of their mistake. Everything is based upon what happened in the past, not on if someone has learned from their mistake. To name 2 people, I think donsig and CivGeneral have learned from their mistakes of DG3T3 and DG4T1 respectively, but I doubt they will ever get into the positions they had again because people continuously bring up the past and do not give them another chance. So using the past as a weapon is a legitamite thing, but not in this forum.

 

[DaveShack]

I actually agree with you somewhat on this that it is something legitimate. But in this forum, it gets far too personal. I personally believe under the right circumstances a person can learn from their mistakes and do good. Some people however have made rather hefty mistakes or errors, but soon after learned from it. Nobody else however knows that here and will never give them a chance because of their mistake. Everything is based upon what happened in the past, not on if someone has learned from their mistake. To name 2 people, I think donsig and CivGeneral have learned from their mistakes of DG3T3 and DG4T1 respectively, but I doubt they will ever get into the positions they had again because people continuously bring up the past and do not give them another chance. So using the past as a weapon is a legitamite thing, but not in this forum.

There may indeed be some people who are not willing to give people who made mistakes in the past another chance, and that is rather unfortunate. I personally use a much different standard for deciding who I will support for current elections than just past facts. If someone has learned from a past mistake, that learning should translate to a change in their position on the issues. The first step is admitting wrongdoing, and next is showing real changes. Here are some examples:

Tao, if he were going to be continuing in DG5, would need to admit that trying to override other governors instructions directly instead of giving them input as a citizen (which they would be obliged to follow anyway) was the wrong way to approach the game.

I'm not sure what incident CG is referring to -- giving instructions which were too explicit? I noticed improvement even during DG4T1 with more generic instructions later in the term.

I'm perfectly willing to vote for donsig (depending of course on the other available choices) but he'd get a lot stronger support if he would just admit that continuing that one chat was a bad idea, even if the actions which followed were "trivial", because people would feel better if they get a chance to discuss something than if they don't get a chance to discuss it. Actually if he admitted that the chat itself is important to some people's enjoyment of the game, a lot of goodwill would be gained.

Between being the Military Advisor in the last several terms of DG4 and then being the next ranking person in the CoC for almost all of the chats, I got the feeling that DG4 turned out being the Chieftess game, and we were along for the ride. It also was quite annoying to see Rik get named as the new moderator, and have CT announce again that she was leaving because someone else got the mod nod. That thread got deleted and we have 3 mods now, but it makes me hesitate before I'll consider voting for her in any election. I would need to see a lot of evidence that she believes this is a team game before she'll get my support.

 

[Rik Meleet]

I think DS sort of sums up my thoughts on forgiving people. If a person made some mistakes earlier, that doesn't mean he'll make them later again. But OTOH that person has proven to be capable/willing to make those mistakes. Which makes me cautious to bring them back in that position, but not neccesarily for all positions.

 

[Cyc]

I think DS sort of sums up my thoughts on forgiving people. If a person made some mistakes earlier, that doesn't mean he'll make them later again. But OTOH that person has proven to be capable/willing to make those mistakes. Which makes me cautious to bring them back in that position, but not neccesarily for all positions.

All very true, but a person that has proven to be capable/willing to make those mistakes is out there trying. And in my book, that beats the people who don't get out there and try. Just because you're penalized heavily for sticking you own head up yer butt (which is a trick in itself), doesn't mean you shouldn't get involved and try again.

 

[Rik Meleet]

All very true, but a person that has proven to be capable/willing to make those mistakes is out there trying. And in my book, that beats the people who don't get out there and try.

Let me rephrase "Which makes me cautious to bring them back in that position, but not neccesarily for all positions."

I will vote for them for many positions. If that person desires a position he has made mistakes in in the past, I am more hesitant to vote for that person for that position. It doesn't mean I won't vote for them. Everybody deserves a 2nd or 3rd chance.

 

[GenMarshall]

But in this forum, it gets far too personal. I personally believe under the right circumstances a person can learn from their mistakes and do good. Some people however have made rather hefty mistakes or errors, but soon after learned from it. Nobody else however knows that here and will never give them a chance because of their mistake. Everything is based upon what happened in the past, not on if someone has learned from their mistake. To name 2 people, I think donsig and CivGeneral have learned from their mistakes of DG3T3 and DG4T1 respectively, but I doubt they will ever get into the positions they had again because people continuously bring up the past and do not give them another chance. So using the past as a weapon is a legitamite thing, but not in this forum.

I would agree with you Sarevok, it was especaly hard for me to rebound back into the government after that CC was plastered on my head, though I only had a few lucky wins, but thats only in the govenor's possition. Its true that I have learned from my mistakes, Even my step-father sometimes reminds me that "We are all not machines, we are human". With the recent falures of my elections, I have been getting self-doubt about myself in DG5. I do have asperations for rebounding back into the ministries department, but with some people who are not as forgiving and will use the past against me is what is making me starting to get self-doubts about my carrier in the Demogame. I know this from past experiance in both this game and in real life situations (Mainly from dating in High School but thats another topic). As Sarevok said and I think in my head, I doubt they [that I] will ever get into the positions they had again because people continuously bring up the past and do not give them [me] another chance. I beleve that we, the demogame citizens should learn to forgive others and give others another chance at holding a possition as long as they learn from there mistakes.