Alpine Trooper
AllCiv
Then well just invade California, you're like a Canada anyways. 
Music downloaders face increased penalties
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superisis
His Highness' dog at Kew
No, California should not join Canada, but make it's own Country... they're the 4th largest economy in world anyway.
MjM
Deity
I so agree. ^ We could probably sustain ourselves.
kingjoshi
King
California could hire illegals as mercenaries to form their army. Since they're all wussy liberals anyway.
MjM
Deity
kingjoshi said:California could hire illegals as mercenaries to form their army. Since they're all wussy liberals anyway.
The proper term is girly men.
JohnRM
Don't make me destroy you
Well, I guess my rush is on to pirate as much as I can before the new law takes effect. MAKE WAY AND DON'T SPARE THE CDs/DVDs!
70 years after the death of the artist. It's not actually eternal, just reasonable enough for the direct estate to profit too. That way your work can feed your grandkids.
Kozmos
Jew Detective
MjM said:
XD Vote for Ahnuld!He will crush the economic girly men!!!
kingjoshi
King
It was already extended twice. Why are we to assume the extensions will stop?El_Machinae said:
If you create something at age 20 and live until 100, then your creation is copyrighted for 150 years! Wow. This is better then copyrights lasting 20 years exactly how? Because the artists and inventors would stop creating if it only lasted 20 years?
The world is so screwed up, this is just another example. 
The copyright made more sense when it was based off of the arts. Computer code has really muddled the whole thing. Expecially corporate code.
(And why shouldn't I own something that I created?)
That's why I copyrighted my username now, because it should be mine for a LONG time.
(And why shouldn't I own something that I created?)
That's why I copyrighted my username now, because it should be mine for a LONG time.
kingjoshi
King
Because no one can own ideas. Your ideas are not created in a vacuum. That's like Newton and Leibniz both creating Calculus in different parts of the world and then claiming to the idea and saying no one else can use calculus for engineering. Even though both came up with the idea independently, one gets credited and people begin to assume that without copyright, the idea would never have been discovered.El_Machinae said:
If you create a book or artwork, you own that physical entity. That is a limited scarce resources. Ideas are not. "Intellectual property" is not similar to "phsyical property" and you cannot apply the same rationale and laws to it.
If I write a poem and someone is inspired from it and writes their own, how does copyright work? How does one determine derived works? How does one determine ownership? You know that someone has copyrighted a track of music that contains exactly 4 minutes and 33 seconds of silence. And has sued over copyright infringement?
If I copy from one author, it's plagirism. How many different authors and how many different ideas must I copy from before it's considered my own work?
Copyright, patents and trademark can serve their purposes for improving society. But the system now is not doing so. It is serving the artists/corporations and there is a huge imbalance. Not only that, it has corrupted the minds of people into thinking the people had rights to ideas in the first place.
Chairman Meow
Class IV
Yes, it's not eternal according to the law (if it was it would be struck down by the courts as a violation of the Constitution, which clearly states that copyrights are to last for finite amounts of time.) However, Congress has extended the copyright period every time the issue has come up, and there is no sign of this trend ending. Thus, though copyrights are not eternal according to the law, they are de facto eternal.El_Machinae said:
Well our school systems are already some of the lowest in quality of "modernized" countries around the world, so why not just imprison all the youth, cause they aren't contributing anything to society anyways.
But seriously, I don't understand how they can "track" you, or find out you've been even attempting to illegally download music. Can't people just use proxy servers to block their IP adresses? Correct me if Im wrong though cause Im not exactly good when it comes to knowing stuff about computers.
Red Stranger
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Civrules said:So let me get this straight:
When this is passed, etc - basically the millions upon millions of people downloading, or attempting to will go to jail? How's that possible and practical?
More internet police and more real police. It's time people learn that stealing is wrong, no matter from who.
Sims2789
Fool me once...
Why do they need to expand wiretapping to prevent illegal downloads? Why should the federal establishment have so much power?
Sims2789
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Red Stranger
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This is not wiretapping. Nobody's going to listen to your phone conversations about what you've downloaded. All they have to do is include a program that can hide as an mp3 file or mpeg file. If you don't download it, you're fine. If you do, boom, you go to jail. Problem solved.
Erik Mesoy
Core Tester / Intern
If I download it, I haven't downloaded any illegal mp3 or mpeg files, so why should I go to jail?
kingjoshi
King
The fact that the creators of the file made it available to the public seems go over the head. It'd be like creating a website and punishing people for going to it! Sadly, that's been done.Erik Mesoy said:
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