Muslim Leaders to Pope and others: We worship the same God, how about peace?

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Apparently this letter is presented by some of the Islamic world's most significant and highly respected leaders, who have access to and respect from millions of Muslims around the world.

World's future hinges on peace between faiths, Islamic scholars tell Pope

Riazat Butt, religious affairs correspondent and Martin Hodgson
Thursday October 11, 2007


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The future of the world depends on peace between Muslims and Christians, Islamic scholars told the Pope today.

In a letter addressed directly to Pope Benedict XVI and other Christian leaders including the Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams, 138 prominent Muslim scholars said that finding common ground between the world's biggest two religions was not "simply a matter for polite ecumenical dialogue".

The letter, which is entitled A Common Word between Us and You, says: "Muslims and Christians together make up well over half of the world's population. Without peace and justice between these two religious communities, there can be no meaningful peace in the world. The future of the world depends on peace between Muslims and Christians."

The 29-page document argues that the basis for this understanding can be found in the common principles of the religions: "Love of the one God, and love of the neighbour".

Supporting their argument with quotations from both the Bible and the Qur'an, the signatories say that Mohammed was told the same truths that had already been revealed to previous Christian and Jewish prophets, including Jesus.

But the scholars also stress that there is more at stake than "polite ecumenical dialogue" between religious leaders.

"With the terrible weaponry of the modern world; with Muslims and Christians intertwined everywhere as never before, no side can unilaterally win a conflict between more than half of the world's inhabitants. Thus our common future is at stake. The very survival of the world itself is perhaps at stake," the letter says.

It adds that the Qur'an entreats Muslims to treat Christians and Jews with particular friendship, though it also warns against aggression from Christians.

"We say to Christians that we are not against them and that Islam is not against them - so long as they do not wage war against Muslims on account of their religion, oppress them and drive them out of their homes," the letter says.

Organised by the Royal Aal al-Bayt Institute for Islamic Thought, a non-governmental organisation based in Amman, Jordan, the document comes a year after another open letter to the Pope following a controversial speech in which he quoted a medieval text linking Islam and violence.

The institute said: "This historic letter is intended by its 138 signatories as an open invitation to Christians to unite with Muslims over the most essential aspects of their respective faiths - the principles of love of one God and love of the neighbour.

"It is hoped that the recognition of this common ground will provide the followers of both faiths with a shared understanding that will serve to defuse tensions around the world."

Many of the signatories are grand muftis who each have tens of millions of followers. There are four British supporters, including the Cambridge academic Shaykh Dr Abdul Hakim Murad Winter.

At the letter's UK launch, Professor Dr Aref Ali Nayed, one of the British signatories, warned people not to get "too hung up" on expecting an answer from the pope.

Dr Nayed, a senior adviser to Cambridge University's interfaith programme, said: "It has taken almost three years to build this momentum and consensus, it is unprecedented. Every person who extends his hand for a handshake would like something in return but we're offering this as free love. It's not a competition. It's not about reciprocity.

"Islam calls upon us to do this."

The Archbishop of Canterbury, one of the recipients, welcomed the pledge to further dialogue between the two faiths.

"The theological basis of the letter and its call to respect each other, be fair, just and kind to another, are indicative of the kind of relationship for which we yearn in all parts of the world especially where Christians and Muslims live together.

"It is particularly important in underlining the need for respect towards minorities in contexts where either Islam or Christianity is the majority presence."

The common scriptural foundations for Jews, Christians and Muslims would be the basis for justice and peace in the world, he said.

"The call should now be taken up by Christians and Muslims at all levels and in all countries and I shall endeavour in this country and internationally, to do my part in working for the righteousness which this letter proclaims as our common goal."

A Common Word coincides with the end of Ramadan and comes just days after the Vatican's official Eid message, which urged Muslims to respect people of all faiths and not exclude them on the ground of religion, race or any other personal characteristic.

Jean-Louis Cardinal Tauran, the newly appointed president of the Pontifical Council for Inter-religious Dialogue, has expressed concern about the treatment of Christians in Muslim-majority nations.

In his Eid statement, he called for a "culture of peace and solidarity" and for religious believers to spread a teaching "which honours all human creatures".

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~ Do Muslims and Christians worship the same God and "love the one God"?

~ Is this what Muslim leaders should be doing?

~ How should the Pope respond?
 
Apparently this letter is presented by some of the Islamic world's most significant and highly respected leaders, who have access to and respect from millions of Muslims around the world.
Apparently it's a duplicate, too.

~ Do Muslims and Christians worship the same God and "love the one God"?

~ Is this what Muslim leaders should be doing?

~ How should the Pope respond?
~ No; unclear
~ Yes, to a large extent
~ With due consideration which I can't analyze right now.
 
Maybe ye should all stop worshipping imaginary deities altogether instead of trying to agree one whose imaginary deity is right. and its not flaming, I'm entitled to say I disagree with your beliefs
 
Fine. Now, they should convince their own followers.
If sensible glorious westerners can't convince each other what way to run the country, how to handle religion, how to deal with gun-control, how to run the EU, who should be in the EU, the usefullness of the UN, if it's sensible to start a pre-emptive war, wether smoking should be allowed in certain places, which taxes are neccesary, how are sensible muslims going to convince non-sensible muslims they should lay of the hate a little?
 
My grandfathe was Orthodox, I used to be Roman Catholic, now I belive Protestants are "doing a better job" with the social and political aspect of "religion" but that Islam is right, and that Jesus was just a prophet, and the Jews earned a great deal of respect from me.

So yeah, I belive we all love one God, only our spiritual leaders are using different fairy tales to govern the people, and I`m fine with that. I knew what was right before the 10 commandments were introduced to me (I was "nudged" towards religion fairly late, due to "peer pressure"), but sadly most people need some kind of guidance, and I`m fine with that, like I said.

Muslims should be doing this. Christians should be doing this. Jews too.

Pope should be, like.. Yay! Lets spend all these gazillions of $$$$$ our priests are currently wearing/driving/watching porn on and help our starving muslim neighbours for we love the SAME God!
 
I have an idea. Let's stop robbing their oil, maybe then we'll have peace.

whatever conflict there are between Christianity and Islam, it isn't really about religion. Nobody cares about precise theological nonsense, but they do care when their government is overthrown, their houses bulldozed and bombed and when their relatives are killed and so forth.
 
If sensible glorious westerners can't convince each other what way to run the country, how to handle religion, how to deal with gun-control, how to run the EU, who should be in the EU, the usefullness of the UN, if it's sensible to start a pre-emptive war, wether smoking should be allowed in certain places, which taxes are neccesary, how are sensible muslims going to convince non-sensible muslims they should lay of the hate a little?
But that would require the Christians to "take the beam out of their own eye" first! We can't have that, can we?;)
 
But that would require the Christians to "take the beam out of their own eye" first! We can't have that, can we?;)
;)

I think the Muslims counter proposal to such should be (for instance to the US) "You get liberals and republicans to agree and we'll try to convince our lunatic brothers. A contest if you will. In 5 years we will re-assemble and compare results. The side that showed the most progress wins the moral highground". :D

Next day:
In some part of the world: "Osama, listen up ...."

And in another part: "Ann, here's the deal ...."
 
The muslim and christian god are not the same. The quran (quoran? qoran? koran?) clearly states that Allah has no son. And the bible states a lot that God does have a son (that's infact what a large part of it is all about).
 
Indeed

Religious opposition
On September 13, 2002, US Catholic bishops signed a letter to President Bush stating that any "preemptive, unilateral use of military force to overthrow the government of Iraq" could not be justified at the time. They came to this position by evaluating whether an attack against Iraq would satisfy the criteria for a just war as defined by Catholic theology. [15]

The Vatican also came out against war in Iraq. Archbishop Renato Raffaele Martino, a former U.N. envoy and current prefect of the Council for Justice and Peace, told reporters that war against Iraq was a preventive war and constituted a "war of aggression", and thus did not constitute a just war. The foreign minister, Archbishop Jean-Louis Tauran, expressed concerns that a war in Iraq would inflame anti-Christian feelings in the Islamic world. On February 8, 2003, Pope John Paul II said "we should never resign ourselves, almost as if war is inevitable." [16]

Both the outgoing Archbishop of Canterbury, George Carey, and his successor, Rowan Williams, spoke out against war with Iraq.

The executive committee of the World Council of Churches, an organization representing churches with a combined membership of between 350 million and 450 million Christians from over 100 countries,[17] issued a statement in opposition to war with Iraq, stating that "War against Iraq would be immoral, unwise, and in breach of the principles of the United Nations Charter." [18]

Jim Wallis of Sojourners Magazine has argued that, among both evangelical Christians and Catholics, "most major church bodies around the world" opposed the war.[28]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposition_to_the_Iraq_War
 
The muslim and christian god are not the same. The quran (quoran? qoran? koran?) clearly states that Allah has no son. And the bible states a lot that God does have a son (that's infact what a large part of it is all about).

It's the same God, you guys just disagree about the issue of his son.
 
The muslim and christian god are not the same. The quran (quoran? qoran? koran?) clearly states that Allah has no son. And the bible states a lot that God does have a son (that's infact what a large part of it is all about).

I would disagree and say the Abrahamic Religions all believe in the same God, but believe differently in his nature and his behavior.
 
I have an idea. Let's stop robbing their oil, maybe then we'll have peace.
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I thought they sold it the world? If not then who is "we"? Are "we" also robbing the oil from Russia? Mexico (15% or imports)? Canada (16% of imports)? Nigeria (10% of imports)? Only 21.69% of America's oil imports come from the Persian Gulf region. Per the DoE, the Persian Gulf includes Bahrain, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates; however, Iran and Qatar export no oil to the United States. If we compare imports from OPEC countries vs. non-OPEC countries, we find that non-OPEC countries are now in the majority, 52.64% vs. 47.36%. And, with the exception of one year, 2001, non-OPEC countries have been in the ascendancy since 1994.


Now how exactly is the religious violence directly linked to oil?
 
I thought they sold it the world? If not then who is "we"? Are "we" also robbing the oil from Russia? Mexico (15% or imports)? Canada (16% of imports)? Nigeria (10% of imports)? Only 21.69% of America's oil imports come from the Persian Gulf region. Per the DoE, the Persian Gulf includes Bahrain, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates; however, Iran and Qatar export no oil to the United States. If we compare imports from OPEC countries vs. non-OPEC countries, we find that non-OPEC countries are now in the majority, 52.64% vs. 47.36%. And, with the exception of one year, 2001, non-OPEC countries have been in the ascendancy since 1994.


Now how exactly is the religious violence directly linked to oil?

Small minded attitude. It's about exerting power over one of the world's most strategically vital regions. To counter growing Iranian regional influence, and by extension Chinese, it was necessary to forcibly convert Iraq into a front for American regional interests. Simply signing treaties and supplying arms wouldn't have done the trick since ME governments tend to be fickle about who they align themselves with, they had to invade.

If America were to lose interests and control over the ME, what do you think would happen to the American economy? American domestic oil supplies peaked in the 80s, Canada's too. Most other nations from which America imports oil have peaked a long time ago. Lose hegemony over the ME and what are you going to do when other worldwide wells begin to become unprofitable? Even now, a 21% drop in oil imports would devastate the American economy. By maintaining hegemony over the ME, America ensures reliable oil supplies for years to come, and can, to a certain extent, dictate who else has access to ME oil.

Besides, China has been cozying up to Iran in the past several years and have been looking to expand interests in the region. By forcibly converting Iraq into a front for regional American interests (look at a map of the ME, Iraq is the goddamn pivot) they can discourage or slow expansion of Chinese interests by removing one potential front for Chinese interests and place a large military presence directly on Iran's western border, effectively surrounding them and putting Chinese strategic goals in a precarious position.

Washington also needed to send a clear message to Beijing, and others, that they weren't going to dick around when it comes to protecting American hegemony over the world's strategically vital regions. It could have caused Beijing to put pressure on Pyongyang to return to the negotiating table since America demonstrated it was willing to use force to achieve its goals.

QED.
 
Washington also needed to send a clear message to Beijing, and others, that they weren't going to dick around when it comes to protecting American hegemony over the world's strategically vital regions. It could have caused Beijing to put pressure on Pyongyang to return to the negotiating table since America demonstrated it was willing to use force to achieve its goals.

QED.

I'm sorry when is iraq in american hegemony??
 
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