Muslim Leaders to Pope and others: We worship the same God, how about peace?

[MobBoss]

Sorry, but theologically wise, the christian God and the Muslim Allah are two completely different things, just comparing the two in their respective bibles can tell you that.

Sigh. Please do your history. Both trace their earlier beginnings to Abraham and the god of Abraham is the God of the Jews, Christians and Muslims. It can be the same God, but that doesnt necessarily mean the Muslims (or the other two) are correct in their own interpretation of that God.

Being a christian, I, of course, think my belief is the most correct version....but I dont think Muslims worship an entirely different God, just that they are incorrect of how they interpret him.

 

[QuoVadisNation]

j_eps, I like the basic idea you're trying to say. But we both know it's more complicated than all that. People like enforcing their beliefs on others, no matter how Christian or Muslim they say they are. They also like being on top. And of course, there are many exceptions. But I don't think those exceptions are the majority.

 

[The Yankee]

After all, there's a reason why they're called the Abrahamic religions and why Muslims should regard Jews and Christians as "people of the book."

Somebody should warn them that they're not following in the footsteps of the other two religions, at least in history.

 

[puglover]

Isn't the story of Abraham in all three religions? Isn't it the same god speaking to Abraham each time? Isn't that the god that's revered in each religion? Therefore, the god in each religion is the same deity. It doesn't matter if some of the beliefs changed in one religion vs. the other. The deity is the same.

Actually, that's quite an interesting example. Abraham is a major figure in all three religions, but the stories are different. In fact, it is almost a crux point of the differences between Islam and Judaism/Christianity.

Muslims believe Abraham's divinely-chosen son was Ishmael, making the Arab race chosen, and thus a candidate for the birth of Mohammed. Jews and Christians, on the other hand, believe Isaac was on Abraham's altar (assuming you are familiar with the story.) This makes the Israelites God's chosen people, and makes Jesus' lineage sacred.

Thus, if one believes the Muslim account, Jesus was not fit to be the Messiah, and was merely a prophet. The entire Jewish faith is a lie.

MobBoss: Please reply to my comment. I want to know what you meant.

 

[MobBoss]

Muslims believe Abraham's divinely-chosen son was Ishmael, making the Arab race chosen, and thus a candidate for the birth of Mohammed. Jews and Christians, on the other hand, believe Isaac was on Abraham's altar (assuming you are familiar with the story.) This makes the Israelites God's chosen people, and makes Jesus' lineage sacred.

MobBoss: Please reply to my comment. I want to know what you meant.

What I meant was giving that Abraham is a central figure of all three religions then the God of Abraham is also the God of all three religions. Its the same God, but interpreted differently by all three faiths.

 

[The Yankee]

Thus, if one believes the Muslim account, Jesus was not fit to be the Messiah, and was merely a prophet. The entire Jewish faith is a lie.

Jews don't believe Jesus was the Messiah, either. It makes the two different faiths, but still tied together.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

Actually, that's quite an interesting example. Abraham is a major figure in all three religions, but the stories are different. In fact, it is almost a crux point of the differences between Islam and Judaism/Christianity.

Not really. If you wanted to identify a "crux" point between the religions, the point would be the divinity of Jesus. When the Jewish community was divided over the nature of Jesus would be the place to draw that line, if you can identify one event as being of such dividing significance to all three religions.

Muslims believe Abraham's divinely-chosen son was Ishmael, making the Arab race chosen, and thus a candidate for the birth of Mohammed.

This is also incorrect. While it's generally agreed upon that the Arabs are the progenitors of Ishmael, there is nothing to suggest that the Arab race was chosen, and the fact that Mohammed was an Arab has no purpose in Islam. I don't know where you're getting this nonsense.

More to the point: the Qu'ran never names which son Abraham is asked to sacrifice.

Jews and Christians, on the other hand, believe Isaac was on Abraham's altar (assuming you are familiar with the story.) This makes the Israelites God's chosen people, and makes Jesus' lineage sacred.

The Israelites didn't exist at the time of the events in question.

Thus, if one believes the Muslim account, Jesus was not fit to be the Messiah, and was merely a prophet. The entire Jewish faith is a lie.

Definitely not, son. One of the fundamentals of Islam is that both Christians and Jews have recieved the word of God. This is why they are referred to as "people of the Book," and Mohammed specifically stated that they are not to be targets for conversion. While they do not believe that Jesus was Christ, Muslims do honor him as one of the greatest prophets. It has nothing to do with his decendance from Issac.

All of this is missing the point, however, and that point is that these make differences in belief, not a difference in diety.

 

[Swedishguy]

Well then, about time people realized that the Christian, Jewish, and Muslim gods are all one and the same. This is part of my own personal belief, which is probably not in any other religon on this Earth.
I believe that not only are the Abrahamic gods one, but ALL gods, whether Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, heck even Aztecs are all the same one true God, just expressed in different ways.

That's what I believe too! It's just that I think it's "the one false god" and not "the one true god".

 

[Bill3000]

Thus, if one believes the Muslim account, Jesus was not fit to be the Messiah, and was merely a prophet. The entire Jewish faith is a lie.

Uh, puglover, the Messiah in Judaism is nothing more than a prophet, albeit a special one...

Not really. If you wanted to identify a "crux" point between the religions, the point would be the divinity of Jesus. When the Jewish community was divided over the nature of Jesus would be the place to draw that line, if you can identify one event as being of such dividing significance to all three religions.

Judaism doesn't believe that Jesus is a prophet in the first place.

 

[puglover]

Jews don't believe Jesus was the Messiah, either. It makes the two different faiths, but still tied together.

Right, those were meant to be two seperate points.

 

[El_Machinae]

Geez, you'd think that with Muslims praying 5 times a day and Christians praying at least once a week, God could find time to clarify the whole Jesus issue ...

Muslim: "the is only one God who is God, and Mohamm .."
Booming Voice: "Actually, Jesus is part of G-d!"

Catholic: "Hail Mary, full of Grace, ..."
Booming Voice: "Hear that sound, it's an unconnected dial tone"

Protestan: " ... and in Jesus name we pray .."
Booming Voice: "There is one G-d who is G-d, isn't that clear?"

 

[mythmonster2]

Geez, you'd think that with Muslims praying 5 times a day...

Oh come on, you believe that we actually still do that? Most of the days, my family is lucky to find two times a day to pray!

 

[El_Machinae]

Oh come on, you believe that we actually still do that? Most of the days, my family is lucky to find two times a day to pray!

Pray as many times a day as you like!
I know that people follow the different parts of Islam differently. It all works out, in the end.

 

[Photi]

More to the point: the Qu'ran never names which son Abraham is asked to sacrifice.



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yes it does. Prophet Abraham tells his son Ishmael that he has had a dream where Ishmael is sacrificed. Ishmael then concedes to God's request and tells his father to go ahead and do it. When Abraham does the deed, God replaces Ishmael with a sheep and he is spared. They both passed the test of submission to God. Ishmael then lives on to become primogenitor of the Arabs. surah 37 verses 100-109.

anyway, Islam does not anoint the arabs in the sense of being the 'chosen' people. Islam is a universal religion for all of humanity. In the eyes of Allah, the only difference of importance b/t individuals is in their nearness to God. Race, wealth and pedigree don't make a lick of difference.