Muslim "No-go Zones" in Europe?

[abradley]

Sometime ago some body mentioned 'No Go Zones' in France:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-go_area#France
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An early usage of the term regarding Europe was in a 2002 opinion piece by David Ignatius in The New York Times, where he wrote about France, "Arab gangs regularly vandalize synagogues here, the North African suburbs have become no-go zones at night, and the French continue to shrug their shoulders."[16] La Courneuve and other districts in Paris were described by police as no-go zones.[17]

In 2010, Raphaël Stainville of French newspaper Le Figaro called certain neighborhoods of the southern city Perpignan "veritable lawless zones", saying they had become too dangerous to travel in at night. He added that the same was true in parts of Béziers and Nîmes.[18] In 2012, Gilles Demailly (fr), the mayor of the French city Amiens, in the wake of several riots, called the northern part of his city a lawless zone, where one could no longer order a pizza or call for a doctor.[19] In 2014, French academic and Syria expert Fabrice Balanche labelled the northern city of Roubaix, as well as parts of Marseille, "mini-Islamic states", saying that the authority of the state is completely absent there.[20] American magazines Newsweek[21] and The New Republic[22] have also used the term to describe parts of France.

In January 2015, after the Charlie Hebdo shooting in Paris, various American media, including the news cable channels Fox News and CNN, described the existence of no-go zones across Europe and in France in particular, or featured guests that referred to them. In some cases, the French areas termed "sensitive urban zones"[23] were described as no-go zones.[24][25] Both networks were criticized for these statements,[26] and anchors on both networks later apologized for the characterizations.[27][28][29][30] The mayor of Paris, Anne Hidalgo, said that she intended to sue Fox News for its statements.

This is what Danial Pipes experienced, he say it's an exception to the 28 other areas he's visited, interesting:

Muslim "No-go Zones" in Europe?

by Daniel Pipes
Daily Caller
December 2, 2015
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The existence of "no-go zones" in predominantly Muslim areas in Europe has been a major topic of conversation since the latest Paris massacre on Nov. 13, primarily due to the assailants' many connections to Molenbeek, a heavily Muslim district of Brussels. This discussion brings to mind my visit to a drug- and crime-infested slum of 7,000 inhabitants in Marseilles, France, on Jan. 29, to see the situation for myself.

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A typical housing block for immigrants in Marseille, France.
I entered the housing complex in an unmarked but recognizable city-owned car driven by a city employee who had been tasked with showing me around. Unfortunately, being mostly a paper-pusher and not experienced in the field, he got spooked and abruptly turned around to leave, raising suspicions among the drug dealers around us, who proceeded to set off the alarm.

A motorcyclist and a truck then zipped ahead of us and boxed us in on a nearby highway. Sitting in the car's front passenger seat, I was accosted and threatened by four young thugs. The city rep pleaded with them, telling them I was a visiting sociologist. They responded first with threatening comments and then by throwing a piece of concrete the size of a football through the back window. Luckily no one was injured, and they let us leave after the intimidating incident had concluded. I provided the mayor's office with audio, video, and still photographs of the thugs and their license plates.

I have kept quiet about this incident for ten months in the hopes that the French judicial system would function. As of today, however no one has been apprehended, no charges have been filed, and to my knowledge, no real investigation ever took place.

This incident was the great exception to my 28 other visits to predominantly Muslim areas in Australia, North America, and Western Europe.
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http://www.danielpipes.org/16322/muslim-no-go-zones-in-europe

 

[JollyRoger]

So criminals target soft government targets? That is not a Muslim thing, but a criminal thing.

 

[Leoreth]

Lots of bread crumbs right now. I hope the health police lets me keep those.

 

[Antilogic]

This stuff again?

I thought Bobberito McJindal already dropped out of the race.

 

[Tee Kay]

OP seems fond of selectively quoting Wikipedia article at length as if the majority of posters here are 12 year-olds unaware of their existence and/or unreliability.

 

[sophie]

so uh. what exactly do you want us to discuss here?

 

[Ryika]

That actually got a lot of mainstream-coverage after the attacks:

Belgian Minister Says Government Lacks Control Over Neighborhood Linked to Terror Plots

Belgium’s home affairs minister said that the government does not “have control of the situation in Molenbeek,” a working-class neighborhood of Brussels that has been linked to several terrorism plots in recent years.

Speaking on the VRT television channel on Sunday, the minister, Jan Jambon, said that the government would “step up efforts” to bring order to the area of the Belgian capital.

“I see that Mayor Françoise Schepmans is also asking our help, and that the local police chief is willing to cooperate,” Mr. Jambon said. “We should join forces and clean up the last bit that needs to be done; that’s really necessary.”

Prime Minister Charles Michel of Belgium said he was also concerned about jihadist networks in Molenbeek.

“I notice that each time there is a link with Molenbeek,” he said. “This is a gigantic problem. Apart from prevention, we should also focus more on repression.”

Belgian officials had said that the brother of one of the men suspected to be Paris attackers was arrested on Saturday in Molenbeek.

http://www.nytimes.com/live/paris-a...ontrol-over-molenbeek-interior-minister-says/

Paris attackers linked to Belgian suburb where the authorities have 'lost control'

Two of the Paris attackers – and at least three other people involved – are linked to a heavily-Muslim suburb of Brussels where the authorities admit they have “lost control.”
The neighbourhood of Molenbeek, which has been involved in many previous terror attacks, was last night emerging as a key centre of the plot. Belgian prosecutors said that one of the seven killers who died in Paris had been identified as a Frenchman living in Molenbeek, which is described by one expert as “the capital of political Islam in continental Europe.” A second attacker lived in or close to the district.
As a wave of new arrests was made in the area on Sunday, Belgium’s interior minister, Jan Jambon, admitted to VRT television that “we don’t have control of the situation in Molenbeek at present” and said the authorities needed to “clean up” the area.

The prime minister, Charles Michel, also said there was a “huge problem” in the district which needed “more repression,” a French term for law enforcement action. He added: "I see it is almost always related to Molenbeek. It was a form of laxity, to allow this. We are paying the bill for past laxity.”

[Article continues, see link below]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-where-the-authorities-have-lost-control.html

Paris attacks: Visiting Molenbeek, the police no-go zone that was home to two of the gunmen

Most Belgians were stunned to hear that police had raided addresses in Brussels and arrested suspects, less than 24 hours after the Paris attacks.

However, few were surprised to hear that the swoops took place in Molenbeek, a run-down east Brussels commune that has long been a magnet for jihadists, gangs, drugs and lawlessness.

It was at Molenbeek’s Osseghem station that police arrived in force, with a phalanx of cars, backed by the bomb squad, sniffer dogs, and the national gas company. For Anas, a 13-year-old, it was a spectacular sight. “They pulled out their sub-machine guns, surrounded this one man and took him in. It was like watching a film,” he said.

Anas was still loitering near the station with two teenage friends, both called Mohammed. They are all in a 25-strong street gang called Osseghem. “Nothing much happens here,” he said, innocently. “Although the police sometimes chase us – they think we’re all Islamists.”

[Article continues, see link below]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...t-was-home-to-two-of-the-gunmen-a6735551.html

Although I love poking fun at Fox News I think it's very obvious that the one expert that they had on earlier this year wasn't quite as delusional as some people wanted to make us think.

Anyway. That DanialPipes article was a very interesting read, thanks for linking. The Author is pointing at problem zones and at the same time clearly putting stuff into perspective. To me, someone who has not paid that much attention other than reading what the mainstream media have written (and being skeptical of all of it), his article sounds very balanced and I wish we would see that more often - he does seem very much like someone who actually wants to report the truth of what he has experienced instead of pushing a narrative.

 

[JollyRoger]

So it seems a failure of law enforcement than anything else. You find a bit of that in the slums and trailer parks of the good ole USA.

 

[GoodSarmatian]

Sometime ago some body mentioned 'No Go Zones' in France.

Yeah some time ago sombody lied.

Every country -even European ones - has cities with bad neighbourhoods. They're usually not nealry as bad as ye olde American slum.
What about Camden in New Jersey or Skid Row in LA ? Are those no-go zones ?

Especially cowardly people might call those places no-go zones, and bigots might feel compelled to add muslim to the description, as if drug dealing was a major tenet of Islam.

 

[JollyRoger]

Seems possible.

 

[Tee Kay]

Especially cowardly people might call those places no-go zones, and bigots might feel compelled to add muslim to the description, as if drug dealing was a major tenet of Islam.

Well the Taliban and other Islamic terrorists deal drugs, and of course they're the purest Muslims out there, because the only real Muslims are drug-dealing murdering paedophiles, because I say the Quran says so, even if it doesn't. See?

 

[JollyRoger]

You know it's true.

 

[abradley]

so uh. what exactly do you want us to discuss here?

Where there or are there "Muslim "No-go Zones" in Europe?"

 

[JollyRoger]

There are none.

 

[gay_Aleks]

What about the fervent imaginations of the far-right?

 

[sophie]

Where there or are there "Muslim "No-go Zones" in Europe?"

There aren't any.

Moving on.

Uhhh...gif party?

 

[JollyRoger]

What about the fervent imaginations of the far-right?

Those are different no-go zones they imagine. Erogena, not Europe.

 

[Antilogic]

Wait, is Mecca or Medina in Europe? I'm pretty sure they are close to Poland, and they are no-go zones for non-Mohammedans.

 

[JollyRoger]

Mecca me dina woman

 

[gay_Aleks]

Is it near Constantinople? I think that's a no-go zone for Greeks since 1453.