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Muslim "No-go Zones" in Europe?

I know that there is a vocal group in Belgium that advocates Sharia,

I'm not sure what you mean by this. There's only four countries in the world where the majority of people believes Sharia should apply to all people: Egypt, Jordan, Afghanistan and one of the Central Asian counties. So is this "vocal group" advocating Sharia for all?

Also, Sharia law has many different meanings. It can mean the harsh tribunals that we've heard about. But in some places, it just means there's a mediator who comes in and works things out between a squabbling husband and wife.
 
Sharia just means "law" so there's that.

Most of the time "people wanting sharia" in the West is people wanting alternative opt-in civil arbitration in things like family law or maybe some contracts. Just like how (in Australia) Jewish Beth Din, indigenous customary law or Catholic canon law can also be used for dispute resolutions if both parties agree. They're recognised by mainstream courts and authority still ultimately derives from their recognition by that mainstream court system.
 
I'm not sure what you mean by this. There's only four countries in the world where the majority of people believes Sharia should apply to all people: Egypt, Jordan, Afghanistan and one of the Central Asian counties. So is this "vocal group" advocating Sharia for all?

Also, Sharia law has many different meanings. It can mean the harsh tribunals that we've heard about. But in some places, it just means there's a mediator who comes in and works things out between a squabbling husband and wife.

I didn't say they are a majority, just a vocal minority.
 
The European Court of Human Rights ain't so happy with Sharia:
Court: The Shari'a Is Incompatible with European Values
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2013/03/court-the-sharia-is-incompatible-with-european
by Daniel Pipes
Mar 14, 2013

A decision today by the European Court of Human Rights deserves notice. It's the case of Kasymakhunov and Saybatalov v. Russia, in which two members of the Islamist group, Hizb ut-Tahrir, complained that the Russian government did not respect their rights. In the course of its decision, the court looked at the Shari'a in light of the "Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms" and confirmed a 1998 decision (concerning an Islamist party in Turkey) that Shari'a is incompatible with the Convention:

the Court observes that the regime that Hizb ut-Tahrir intends to set up will be based on sharia. However, it has previously found a regime based on sharia to be incompatible with the fundamental principles of democracy, particularly with regard to its criminal law and criminal procedure, its rules on the legal status of women and the way it intervenes in all spheres of private and public life in accordance with religious precepts. An organisation whose actions seem to be aimed at introducing sharia in a State Party to the Convention can hardly be regarded as complying with the democratic ideal that underlies the whole of the Convention.


Comments: (1) Good to see on of the European Union's highest courts reiterate that the Shari'a is unacceptable. (2) It would be helpful if public figures such as the former archbishop of Canterbury concurred. (March 14, 2013)
And there's this:
The perils of speaking out against Islamic law in Malaysia
By BBC Trending

29 March 2015

A video poking fun at an Islamic party went viral in Malaysia - but the journalist who made it is facing threats and a police investigation

A satirical video has exposed the sensitivity over Islamic law in Malaysia - as well as the limits of online speech in the country.

It was supposed to be a light-hearted poke at proposals to expand Islamic law in one state in Malaysia. But a video starring journalist Aisyah Tajuddin resulted in death and rape threats along with a police investigation.

It all began when the Pan-Malaysian Islamic Party (known by its Malay acronym PAS) proposed implementing hudud laws on Muslims in Kelantan, a mostly rural state in the northeast of the country.
(Continued)
http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-32089787
Plus IIRC there was an Aussie man (non-Muslim) and Malaysian (Muslim) gal who wanted to marry, to do so in Malaysia they had to get permission from a Sharia court, it wasn't granted, if it had been a Muslim man and non-Muslim gal. OK.

IMHO, stay far away from Sharia if you value you rights and freedoms.
 
You read a lot of old news? This is from March. 2013 even. Not to worry, not a sign of sharia in any non-Muslim country. Lots of talk about it though, oddly.
 
I do agree that we should oppose religious people who advocate replacing secular law with religious law or even changing secular law to suit their religious conception of morality. That puts me in opposition to a lot of conservative Christians, though.
 
I do agree that we should oppose religious people who advocate replacing secular law with religious law or even changing secular law to suit their religious conception of morality. That puts me in opposition to a lot of conservative Christians, though.

Also, there is no danger of Muslims imposing Sharia on Western countries even though some people might talk about it as if it was imminent.
 
You read a lot of old news? This is from March. 2013 even. Not to worry, not a sign of sharia in any non-Muslim country. Lots of talk about it though, oddly.
Yes, nearly 3 years old. That's ages.;)
 
I really don't understand how those places are dubbed as "mini-islamic states" and that they are dangerous because of the crime there.

I think a lot of the stuff you read on blogs and facebook can be alarmist hype but if even 50% is true then real trouble is coming

Can somebody here maybe French speaker verify the first vid

Link to video.
Female Resident of Calais, Simone speaks. This is the death of civilization.


some more here


Link to video.


Link to video.


Link to video.
 

Sure. Except that it's Sangatte. Not Sandgate.

And things haven't gone well for Calais since its capture by France in 1558.

But what does it say about France that 18,000 people cross it and queue up in Calais to get out of the place?

Quite why they think the UK is a better place, I'm really not sure.
 
Sure. Except that it's Sangatte. Not Sandgate.

And things haven't gone well for Calais since its capture by France in 1558.

But what does it say about France that 18,000 people cross it and queue up in Calais to get out of the place?

Quite why they think the UK is a better place, I'm really not sure.

the food maybe, those immigrant have really terrible taste :D
 
I found this news items
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Legion-75-arrested-Pegida-protest-Calais.html

Ex-commander of the French Foreign Legion arrested in Calais. Christian Piquemal, 75, spoke during an anti-immigration protest
General Piquemal was among around a dozen of protesters arrested

transcript
Well, here we are. Pierre introduced me. My name is Simone and I live in Calais. I am of Calaisian stock. My parents lived in Calais. Calais is my life. It’s where I grew up and I’ve always lived there.

Calais used to be a very pleasant town. I used to love going on walks. We had tranquility and safety. There were always a lot of visitors, both in the summer and in the winter, even though God knows our summers are never that pleasant; the weather is never great here. But the place was alive.

Some time ago refugees came to Sangatte. Sarkozy decided to shut down their squatting zone there, and the refugees arrived in Calais. At first, even I considered them unfortunate people, deprived of means and ill-informed, whom we could perhaps give some help.

And I couldn’t tell you how it happened, but from one day to the next, we had thousands, thousands of migrants. Currently they number at 18,000 in what is called the Jungle. 18,000. It is horrible. They’ve downright made a city within the city. They’ve got a discotheque, businesses, schools, hairdressers… They even have… [pause] — I wouldn’t allow myself to say this, but I think you understand it concerns the needs of men. Of course.

They’ve made streets. They’ve given names to these streets. They elected a mayor. [Audience expresses shock] Yes! The police cannot at all enter what they call the “Muslim neighborhood.” It’s forbidden.

Up to that point, we perhaps might have been able to endure this. But we can’t endure the unendurable, when we see riots taking place during the night, every day, constantly.

They turn up in the center of the town, numbering 2,000, 3,000, 4,000, all over the place. They smash cars with iron bars. They assault people; they even assault children. They rob and they rape. What we endure is unimaginable.

They enter the homes of people, while people are at the dinner table, because they want to eat. They take what they want; sometimes they beat up the inhabitants. They steal what they want and smash what they can’t get. And when you defend yourself, the police get on your back [Audience expresses dismay].

For a long time now the police refuse to register complaints. My own son got assaulted. He was out on a walk in the town center, listening to music on headphones. Someone tapped his shoulder and he turned around, thinking it would be a friend.

Three “clandos” were facing him — excuse me, clandestines. He got hit on the head with an iron bar. My son is quite tough and managed to defend himself. So they got beat up.

But then he heard noise on his side: thirty migrants were now going after him. Being bold but not suicidal, he fled. When I saw my son return home my thought was that they could have killed him.

He isn’t alone. They assault kids on their way home from school, or on their way to school, to middle-school. They go so far as to get on school buses, with the kids.

On January 23rd, they did a big riot in Calais. It was horrible. It lasted the whole afternoon and the whole evening. They went so far as to tag the statue of General De Gaulle. They wrote “Nik la France” on it [“Fuk France”, sic], with the ISIS flag underneath.

What else can I tell you about what we endure? They demonstrate to protest the standards of the welcome they have received. But the more you give to them, the more they ask for. It’s never enough. Never, never.

When we cross their paths, it’s always “give money”, “give phone.” And if you don’t give, you get beaten up. And don’t count on the police to help you. As I said, they don’t even register complaints anymore.

When we want to demonstrate, the police get on our backs. When we get assaulted, they tell us at the police station: “What do you want us to say; they all look alike. There’s nothing we can do.” I promise that what I’m telling you is the truth.

I used to love going to visit what I call my son’s tomb: the sea. I lost my son and we dispersed his ashes into the sea, in accordance with his wish.

One evening I asked my husband to take me to my son’s tomb, because I needed it. This is something I can’t do anymore. Merely crossing the town center of Calais during the evening means exposing yourself to danger.

As soon as it starts getting dark, it gets dangerous. I can’t go where I used to like to go anymore. It’s not possible anymore. I’m scared. And there are many of us like this in Calais.

What I also don’t understand is the attitude of the Calaisians. Yesterday again there was a demonstration. There were perhaps ten people from Calais participating. Where were all the others? Fear does not steer us clear from danger. The Government has abandoned us. They’ve decided to doom Calais. If we from Calais don’t react to this, all the migrants in France will end up gathered here, and we’ll be done for; we’ll be dead. The Calaisians are like sheep. I don’t understand them.

Yesterday I participated in this demonstration. I was in the middle of it, with my husband, with my son, with friends. General Piquemal was there [Long round of applause].

After what I witnessed yesterday, I could not sleep, because I kept reviewing those scenes in my mind. The television, radio, and newspapers haven’t said what happened there. We saw him get arrested and mistreated like a racaille [street thug].

The man is a French icon; he deserves the respect owed to his rank, and he got treated like a racaille. They manhandled him to the ground and a policeman placed his boot on his neck.

We saw it happen; I promise as I stand before you. Then they picked him up and dragged him; his feet weren’t even touching the ground. And then they charged us of course.

I was lucky, because my husband, in a clever move, took us behind the vans and the water guns of the CRS [riot police]. Otherwise they would have detained us and I’d still be in jail today.

And what offense did I commit? I had come there. I had come to protest the massive and invasive immigration we are subjected to.

Do you realize that local shops have lost between 40 percent and 60 percent of their business? Before this, Calais used to be thriving, lively, gay. Foreigners would always come during the summer vacation time, and during the end of the year festivities. Today, nothing is left of that. Nothing.

The shops in the town center have shut down, one after the other. Calais is a dead city, because of the clandestines we have there. When they descend upon the town armed with iron bars and even Molotov cocktails… Yes, they were caught fabricating those… I don’t understand why they don’t get punished for that.

Why do the police let them go so quickly, when they catch them? [Round of applause.] If we, the French, the Calaisians, step out of line, we immediately get detained and subjected to interrogation. We have no rights left.

Let’s also talk about Natacha Bouchard. [The audience boos.] I call her the snail, because she has gotten fatter and fatter since she became mayor. She has done nothing for the inhabitants of Calais.

She received millions of Euros of help destined to support the local economy. The first thing she did with that money was to build containers to house the migrants. And those containers did not even come from Calais, they came from Brittany.

The only jobs she created in Calais, and I know this through a friend who was offered such a job, were fifty long-term positions to clean up the migrants’ refuse in the Jungle. Those are the jobs offered by Madame Bouchard. She has banned me from her Facebook page, so I can’t leave comments there anymore. She doesn’t like me. The feeling is mutual. [Audience laughing.]

As Pierre said, I’m not an intellectual. I didn’t get a higher education. I lost my father at a young age and had to stop school early in order to help with the business.

But that doesn’t mean I’m an idiot. I see what’s going on and I know what I’m talking about. We live under it every day.

There’s been a new development recently: the No Border activists. They are the worst racaille on the face of the Earth. They are the ones inciting the clandestines to riot in Calais.

It’s even worse than that. They post themselves across the town and coordinate riots using walkie-talkies.

I’ve seen the CRS [riot police] give ground to the migrants. That made me weep. I felt this wasn’t normal. We’re at home. This is our country, our town. The migrants should have been the ones retreating, not the CRS.

Why are they demonstrating? They want 2000 Euros pocket money per month. [Hilarity among the audience.] I don’t have that, personally. They want a car, and also a house, naturally.

So let’s talk about housing. Madame Bouchard has expelled people in Calais from their homes because those were situated in the Dunes area, close to the Jungle.

Indeed this proximity meant that they were being robbed and beaten on a regular basis. So she expelled them, even though they were paying their rent.

I myself am being thrown out of my house next month. My house is being confiscated, even though we’ve always been honest people.

It would be too long to explain. A court decided to sell the house, even though we’ve done nothing wrong. My husband is suffering from cancer, but that doesn’t change anything.

The French must be crushed and thrown out, their property seized to make room for the racaille intent on colonizing us. [Round of applause.]

The racaille, we are being told, will be a source of cultural enrichment for us. But I wonder where their cultural wealth is. If what we need is to wreck, destroy, steal, and rape, and this is the short version, well then the French are quite able to do this on their own. You just needed to ask us. [Round of applause.]

I speak with my heart and my words. [Long round of applause.]
 
You should not only take it with a pinch of salt, you should disregard absolutely everything both Tommy Robinson and the EDL say.

Not even I take any notice of them. And I'm notoriously gullible.
 
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