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Muslim scientists, scholars call for adoption of "Mecca Time".

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Dawgphood001, Apr 21, 2008.

  1. Pannonius

    Pannonius Reconquistador

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    For now.
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  2. Bill3000

    Bill3000 OOOH NOOOOOOO! Supporter

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    If european culture is so pathetically weak that it needs protection from foriegn cultures and can't invite its immigrants to be attracted to the culture of their new land, then quite frankly, they deserve whatever they get.
     
  3. Pannonius

    Pannonius Reconquistador

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    You're right. We need some serious moral reforms.
     
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    I don't want any of your kind of 'morals' thank you.
     
  5. Pannonius

    Pannonius Reconquistador

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    And what is my kind of morals?
     
  6. Sidhe

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    I agree with Bill, I know very odd? What are you talking about, our culture may be varied? But what is it you are trying to say about the dhimi?

    Being as only 49% of people expressed belief in a God or Gods in the UK, according to a poll, I'm not sure dhimi is even what we are? Can you be an agnostic or an atheist or non-religious or pagan or other and dhimi?

    I mean you're kind of talking about only a smaller proportion of the UK.
     
  7. Souron

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    If it's reasonable to use the birth of Christ as the basis of our calendar system, then it is equally reasonable to use the Muslim holy city as the center of our navigation and daytime systems.

    However, despite the arbitrary positioning of the prime meridian, it did work out to have a very convenient position for the international date line.
     
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    the kind you showed in many threads so far, the kind that is guided by fear, hate and bigotry. People like you are a bigger threat to western societies than muslims ever will be.
     
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    I wonder what they could mean by "One geologist argued that unlike other longitudes, Mecca's was in perfect alignment to magnetic north"

    Beside, the magnetic declination of KING ABDULAZIZ INTL airport, the closest one from Mecca, is 2° East. Hardly aligned with True North...

    http://worldaerodata.com/wad.cgi?id=SA02739
     
  10. Defiant47

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    Don't you see that both religions are essentially the same? They just go about it in different ways. It may seem like Christianity is a bigger threat than Islam, but trust me, it only seems so because Christianity is the majority in the U.S. Islam and any other religion would just as big a threat if it were the majority belief. Fear, hate, and bigotry will persist regardless of which religion we're talking about.
     
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    Does this pose a problem for them when magnetic North migrates? And, who cares!?
     
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    To say that something exists 'under atheism (sic)' makes no sense. Atheists are not a group of people who share any necessarily common beliefs such that they can be considered a homologous group of people. They are only linked by their negative stance in regards to the question of the existence of a deity or deities and only by that negative stance. Atheism is not an ideology it is the absence of god belief. There can be fearful, hateful and bigoted Atheists but it's necessarily so, considering that Atheism does not constitute a set of ideological beliefs to which participants in Atheism must adhere, that these things cannot exist 'under atheism (sic)'.
     
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    And the exact same can be said of ALL religions, with the exception of a few minor cults. Fear, hatred and bigotry are, unfortunately, all a part of human nature. If everyone on the planet had the same religion, we'd still find something else to hate each other over.
     
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    Most scientists have been using CA and BCA for 40 years now.
     
  16. Great Librarian

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    What is CA? What is BCA?

    Don't you mean CE and BCE (Common Era and Before Common Era respectively)? In the stead of 'Jesus time' (AD and BC)?
     
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    I think what you're trying to say is that everyone can be fearful, hateful and bigoted not that the exact same thing can be said of 'ALL religions'. For instance, if I were to say that all Christians believed in a certain set of things in order to be Christian, I would be identifying the ideological foundation of the religion. The same would apply if I were to say something similar regarding any religion. Conversely, Atheism has no ideological foundation in which an Atheist must believe to be Atheist (Atheists have no belief), which was my point. I understand your sentiments, however, and agree that humans can be nasty creatures regardless of their religion or lack thereof.
     
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    I think you're over-reading somewhat, but basically you've got me right. By 'ALL religions,' I meant all religions, not all the members of that religion or the teachings of that religion. As for Atheists, they do have beliefs. They belive in the non-existence of God, or gods. I'm actually thinking of finding my argument from another forum where I posited that atheism was in fact a religion.
     
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    Common sense wins after all.
     
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    You can posit it all you like but any argument that Atheism is a religion is dead in the water. An Atheist does not believe in the non-existence of god(s). I understand how it may be difficult to, well, understand. To put it into an appreciable perspective, however, not believing in Santa Clause does not mean that you believe in his non-existence. It is simply an absence of belief. Further, in the case of Santa Clause, it is not necessary to define the absence of belief because a great deal of the world's population does not believe in Santa Clause and Santa Clause believers don't exact their beliefs in politics. The opposite should explain the need to identify the particular lack of belief in god(s). It is not a belief in itself, simply a useful term to identify a lack of belief in something popularly believed in. Atheist do not believe in anything in that sense. I'm sure Atheists do have beliefs, but as Atheist do not subscribe to a particular set of common ideological beliefs in order to be Atheists I cannot say what beliefs Atheists do hold, I only know that all Atheists must commonly have the lack of belief in god(s) in order to be Atheists because the word only describes that lack of belief in relation to the belief in god(s).

    I hope that cleared that up.
     

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