My most profitable axerush ever.

[BCLG100]

What if your best city is your best research city?

You've not been specialising enough...

 

[TheWilltoAct]

How about a city with a fat shrine surrounded by gold resources and towns? Wall Street puts the slider to 100%, all the towns and gold put out pure , win.

 

[jabberwalkee_]

I agree that generally it is a bit wasteful to have your best city also be your best city, but in a situation like this where you get a fantastic cottage site that is also a holy city it can be attractive to do both. Obviously if you have another holy city it's better to make IT the whoring wall street city, but you can't always get two holy cities early on. As long as you have the hammers there is no reason not to build both Oxford and Wall street in the same city if it is going to mean the greatest and

 

[TheWilltoAct]

That was my thought, thanks for fleshing that out jabberwalkee.

 

[Yared]

You might as well dump your palace in that city.

 

[TheWilltoAct]

lol, what makes you say that?

 

[Yared]

The bureaucracy boost.

 

[TheWilltoAct]

Thought that might have been your meaning, that would work.
I'm about to adopt State Property, so I could indeed move my palace with no neg effects.

 

[kochman]

I agree that generally it is a bit wasteful to have your best city also be your best city, but in a situation like this where you get a fantastic cottage site that is also a holy city it can be attractive to do both. Obviously if you have another holy city it's better to make IT the whoring wall street city, but you can't always get two holy cities early on. As long as you have the hammers there is no reason not to build both Oxford and Wall street in the same city if it is going to mean the greatest and

This isn't about agreeing, this is about math.
Unless you are running 50/50 money/science, you are not going to get the maximum effect from one of your buildings as a result. You have also limited your city by using up both slots for national wonders, which could potentially be used for something else (such as forbidden palace/wall street which will help you a ton financially).

 

[TheWilltoAct]

Heavens the Forbidden Palace again kochman, unless I'm missing something you can stick the FP anywhere, it reduces nearby city maintenance costs.

Consider my situation, I can take an enemy capital with a shrine that generate 64 raw . The city has a river beside it with about 6 towns and a couple of gold mines. My primary interest is , but even with the slider at 100% Wall Street will of course give me 64 , a decent sum.

 

[kochman]

FB = Government Center = lowest possible maintenance rate

If you run a Bureaucracy, your capital and only your capital will get bonus , which Oxford can turn into beakers...
If you have the FB in your financial capital, you will be getting better gold... making that your (science) capital is not the best way to go.

 

[TheWilltoAct]

You meant 'FP' I assume. I don't think city maintenance has an impact on our conversation; if I'm correct, city maintenance is deducted from your net cash supply and individual cities don't bear the burden of paying their own maint costs. So it shouldn't affect our profits.

 

[kochman]

You meant 'FP' I assume. I don't think city maintenance has an impact on our conversation; if I'm correct, city maintenance is deducted from your net cash supply and individual cities don't bear the burden of paying their own maint costs. So it shouldn't affect our profits.

City maintenance is effected by distance from government centers, such as the palace, versailles and the FP.
While a city doesn't pay more for having more in it, it pays more for being further away from government centers.

When it says that nearby cities pay less maintenance, the center city pays the least (as a percentage).

 

[TheMeInTeam]

You've not been specialising enough...

No, it can happen sometimes even if your specialization is perfect. The most common example is that you wind up with a powerful holy city on a big map that also happens to be your best research site. It can also happen when land is unbelievably terrible, such that your only truly great city leads in both outputs (your "specialization" is to make this one city as strong as possible since the others are woofers).

I'd still not stick wall street in an oxford site in 90+% of cases, but I might put all the other research multipliers, even an academy, in such a city if its base commerce were strong enough to merit it. Sometimes a 40+ gpt shrine or an 80+ gpt captured corporation (so that you don't decide on HQ location) is just stronger than anything you can do with merchants.

 

[Jerrymander]

No, it can happen sometimes even if your specialization is perfect.

You're assuming it's not possible to overspecialize.

 

[kochman]

I might put all the other research multipliers, even an academy, in such a city if its base commerce were strong enough to merit it.

True, I often have an academy in my financial HQ as well as my research HQ (and sometimes a few other cities as well)...

 

[TheWilltoAct]

Even if what you say were true kochman I wouldn't waste the or the National Wonder slot on a wonder which should be built based on where it will most lower surrounding maintenance costs.

I think you need to throw out that strategy as it's not holding water. Again, local maintenace is totally irrelevant when our goal is to maximize generation in a particular city.

 

[kochman]

Even if what you say were true kochman I wouldn't waste the or the National Wonder slot on a wonder which should be built based on where it will most lower surrounding maintenance costs.

I think you need to throw out that strategy as it's not holding water. Again, local maintenace is totally irrelevant when our goal is to maximize generation in a particular city.

Actually, you are the only one espousing your position. So, why should I throw out my strategy?

Generally, these financial capitals tend to be far enough away from my main capital to make the national wonder slot worth while... It tends to be an enemy capital that has founded at least one religion, sometimes two (like right now, I have Thebes with Hindu & Judaism in my current game as my financial capital...)

"My strategy"... honestly, it's not even mine. I saw the math breakdown in another thread, and math trumps. Sorry you don't want to admit it, but this doesn't mean you are right.

 

[Jerrymander]

TWTA is referring to a specific city, kochman is referring to the whole empire; you guys are using two different paradigms.

 

[kochman]

But... that being said... to generate the maximum potential research and $$$, the following is better:

100% science slider

Capital = research capital
Bureaucracy, extra commerce from palace, academy, oxford, library/observe/univ, etc...

Shrine city = finance capital (probably someone else's former capital)
found corporations here (you can definitely found 3 here, maybe 4 but I am not certain about 4), religious shrine(s) already here (preferably 2), wall street, bank, grocer, market, harbor, customs house, FP or Versaille, etc...

This will optomize better, all other things being equal, than combining the two into one city, end of story.
plus, you have creating GS and one creating GMs... Instead of splitting great people between one city.