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My request list for 4.0

Discussion in 'Civ4 - CIV Gold' started by C.Roland, Jan 7, 2008.

  1. C.Roland

    C.Roland FFH Art team member

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    Hi everyone!

    I have a big interest for this mod :D, and with this interest, there is also requests :rolleyes: Here is a big list of things that I wish to see in future update and I would like to have your thoughts on each of those subjects.

    First of all, my biggest wish is to have to merge this mod with Varietas Delectat. First, we could only use the vanilla civs set and tag the new civ to actual set (example, Mexico to Aztec). Some of the civs planned for 4.0 (like Cuba) are already made for this mod. After, we may ask avain if he want to create new styles for new civilizations. I know that there is already some units made that would work for new civ style. If he’s too busy to dig the forum to create new art style for new civ, maybe someone else can take care of it.

    It was my biggest wish, but not the only one. Here are some Leaders that I would like to get included. Sometimes, I put some quotes of the leaders to help to make the diplo dialogue if he finally got included.

    Those who, I think, are already planned (but I mention just in case;)):

    http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=7942 King of Canada
    “It is what we prevent, rather than what we do that counts most in Government.”
    “If some countries have too much history, we have too much geography.”
    “Far more has been accomplished for the welfare and progress of mankind by preventing bad actions than by doing good ones.”

    http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=7870 Lázaro Cárdenas, Mexico

    http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=257884 Hidalgo, Mexico
    “Action must be taken at once! There is no time to be lost.”

    http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=7784 Medecis, Italy
    “How beautiful is youth, that is always slipping away! Whoever wants to be happy, let him be so: of tomorrow there's no knowing”


    http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=257597 Trudeau
    “Well, just watch me.”
    “Let us overthrow the totems, break the taboos. Or better, let us consider them cancelled. Coldly, let us be intelligent.”
    Would be nice to also add some of theese :lol:
    “If you don't stop that, I'll kick you right in the ass.”
    “Mangez de la merde.”


    http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=7763 Charles Quint for HRE and maybe also Spain
    “In my realm, the sun never sets.”
    “I see that luck resembles women: it prefers a young king than an old emperor.”
    “Iron hand in a velvet glove.”
    “There are those who say that I wish to rule the world, but both my thoughts and my deeds demonstrate the contrary.”

    Those that I would really like to see because they are good looking , well made(that means different from any vanilla leaders head) and important leaders

    http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=257378 Collins, Irish second leader
    “When you have sweated, toiled, had mad dreams, hopeless nightmares, you find yourself in London's streets, cold and dank in the night air. Think - what have I got for Ireland? Something which she has wanted these past seven hundred years. Will anyone be satisfied at the bargain? Will anyone? I tell you this; early this morning I signed my death warrant. I thought at the time how odd, how ridiculous — a bullet may just as well have done the job five years ago.”

    Tamerlan (as a Mongols? Or other ???): http://www.civfanatics.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=6918

    http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=2820 (Uther as a Welsh Leader, Calgalus of the (??..Picts), Hector of Troy and Amanishabheto of Nubia (this one look pretty much like her base model however)) would have to fix the head proportion
    For Calgalus:
    “To plunder, to slaughter, to steal, these things they misname empire; and where they make a wilderness, they call it peace.”
    For Hector (nothing really historial here, only some quote from the Troy movie :lol: )
    “You come here uninvited. Go back to your ships and go home.”
    “Fight me!”
    “All my life I've lived by a code and the code is simple: honor the gods, love your woman and defend your country”

    Massinisa (Numidia?): http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=3311

    Replace the actual Arpad (the texture are to plain) by this Arpad : http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=4633

    http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=4659 Joan of Arc or Sigrid the Haughty (with a hair recolor that I would be glad to make) or an other medieval female leader, have you an idea ?
    For JoA:
    “Children say that people are hung sometimes for speaking the truth.”
    “I came from God. There is nothing more for me to do here! Send me back to God, from Whom I came!”
    I am not afraid… I was born to do this.
    “I fear nothing, except treason.”

    http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=6744 Ivan the terrible of Russia or other if you find him a new place

    http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=5927
    Franco of Spain

    http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=7360 I know I may have some favoritism for this one, but personally, I think she’s the best Dido (she’s the one that look the less like her base model because she had some model modification)

    http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=7530 George I of Greece
    And
    http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=7636 Leonidas, Greece
    “Molon Labe!” or “Come and get them!”
    “If you knew what is good in life, you would abstain from wishing for foreign things”
    From the movie 300 (could be funny to have quote from the film)
    “It is an honor to have lived at yours”
    “Madness...? THIS... IS... SPARTA!”
    “by Spartan law we will stand and fight... and die.”
    “For tonight, we dine in hell!”
    “Unless I miss my guess, we're in for one wild night.”

    For those two, my plan would be to split Macedonia and Greece into two civ with Pericles, George I and Leonidas leading Greece and Alexander and Philippe leading Macedonia. We can even cut the Greece in two faction (like the city states division during Peloponnesian war, but this cut is maybe to much ? what do you think ?) I really think Greece and Macedonia should be two different civ (and the Macedonia UU is already present in the lost unit of vanilla, or Warlords scenario)

    http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=7914 Harald as an other Viking Leader, if you can’t find him a better place??

    http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=7825 Robert the Bruce. The beard look strange, so maybe you want to keep the one you presently using. Well, the best would be a mix of both. You only copy your tartan fabric on him and retexture the head area and it can give a nice result. I may help for this if you want.

    http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=7482 Cardinal Richelieu. New model, new anim ...
    « If one would give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest man, I would find something in them to have him hanged.”
    “To mislead a rival, deception is permissable; one may use all means against his enemies”
    “Deception is the knowledge of kings”
    “Reason must be the universal rule and guide; all things must be done according to reason without allowing oneself to be swayed by emotion.”
    “War is one of the scourges with which it has pleased God to afflict men”


    Those that I would really like to see because they are good looking or well made (that means different from any vanilla leaders head) or important leaders

    http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=6527 Lenin, still look like Churchill, but is still well made
    “Violence is, of course, alien to our ideals”
    “What we prize most is peace and an opportunity to devote all our efforts to restoring our economy.”
    “It is true that liberty is precious—so precious that it must be rationed.”

    http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=6600 Wilhelmina of Netherlands, look a lot like Elizabeth but it’s a nice leader.

    http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=6717 Theodra, look a bit like Izzy

    http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=6732 Vlad III Drakula for Romania. The leader himself is interesting to have, and if we change the crown (maybe add the crown of my old Charlemagne LH), it will look different than Justinan

    http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=6807 Selim, could be usefull, maybe.

    http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=6808 Look much like Napoleon so if you prefer the one that you already have it’s fine but I just want to show you this one. Personally, I prefer this one, but we have a lot of leaders based on Napoleon

    http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=7333 Ukraine Victor Yushchenko

    http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=7459 Abbas I, Maybe for an other Persian Leader

    http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=7666 Josip Broz Tito , Yugoslavia. It look like Degaule, but its still a nice LH

    Those that I would really like to see in game because they are really well made, but the leader himself do not necessarily have his place in the mod.

    http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=7596 Mahmoud Ahmadinejad ,The leader head is really well made (my favorite), however, I don’t know if it have a place. He would lead wich civ ?

    http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=7840 Kim Jong Il. Would be fun to have him as a leader of Korea :lol: It make me think of team America each time I see it

    http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=7926 Saddam Hussein ,Well made LH but, I don’t know if it has a place

    Unidentified Leader that can fill gaps, or be recycled:


    http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=5365 This Saruman is still nice, have you an Idea of a leader that could look like him ?



    http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=6806 Nice leaderhead, it could surely fill a gap somewhere


    http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=193741 It still look good, maybe this can be recycled, do you have an idea?

    We may also use Sid Meier LH (Like they did in Road to War) for a modern leader. It’s a model that we don’t use in the mod.

    I would like to know your feelings about all of them :),I hope I'm not to Harassing with all this :blush:
     
  2. Wyz_sub10

    Wyz_sub10 CIV Gold - Project Lead

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    LOL...Wow! Okay, I going to have to reply in parts, I think.

    Fierabras and I talked about this. Right now we've merged EDU and some other unit sets. His concern was the specificity of the VD unit sets, and how it would all work together.

    I like the idea but because he is the one with the job of merging the code, I'll leave it to him to comment. :)

    King, Trudeau, Cardenas, Hidalgo, d'Medici and Charles V will all be in 4.0.

    Michael Collins - will add as 2nd Irish leader
    Tamerlain - awesome LH! Either add to Mongols, or maybe new Timurid Empire that might be in development
    Amanishabheto - was going to add sooner
    Hector - included as part of Amra's Troy, I think
    Uther - I can do this, if the community wants it
    Calgalus - I like the concept but someone better than me will have to fix the head
    Massinisa - we probably won't have a Numidia, but maybe add to Carthage

    Arpad - planned for addition
    Joan of Arc - can add this (kinda shiny right now, though)
    Ivan the Terrible - can add this
    Franco - can add this

    BTW - any BtS or Warlords models would be good. Gold is currently heavy on Vanilla LH re-do's and re-skins. (Boudica would be nice to see somewhere)

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  3. Wyz_sub10

    Wyz_sub10 CIV Gold - Project Lead

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    Lenin - can add this
    Wilhelmina of Netherlands - can add this
    Theodra - can add this with the XML work done by Amra
    Vlad III Drakula for Romania - if you can work on the crown, great. As long as this is appropriate by Romanians

    Selim - I'll look at this

    Franz Joseph - to be honest, I prefer this one too. The issue, as you said, is # of LHs based on Napoleon...but it is very good, nonetheless.

    Victor Yushchenko - cann add this. Tymoshenko and Yushchenko together? That could be a mod all it's own!

    Abbas I - I'll look into this

    Josip Broz Tito , Yugoslavia - Been meaning to do a Yugoslav civ. Let me think about how to do this

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    Hussein, Ahmadinejad and Kim may be joined in a separate download by Hitler, Mussolini, Idi Amin and Pol Pot. I'll let you guess the theme! ;)

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  4. Wyz_sub10

    Wyz_sub10 CIV Gold - Project Lead

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    Sviatoslav can be added to Ukraine
    Sid can be made into Idi Amin with some creativity....hint hint!
    Sauruman...hmmm....let me think. He would have been good for the Ainu, but I have a good Ainu LH already. Maybe Skitigeit of the Haida, with a few changes to the wardrobe


    George I and Leonidas - will look at these
    I don't mind splitting Greece and Macedonia. My only concern is that, despite all the arguments on heritage, Alexander the Great *is* associated with Greece...hmmm...let me think on that a bit

    Harald can be a 3rd Viking leader or a new leader for Norway - thinking on this now

    Robert the Bruce - a but better than ours, not completely sold on it.

    Richelieu - may be suitable for the pack mentioned above


    So...who's going to help me with all of this? :D
     
  5. Fierabras

    Fierabras Chieftain

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    The BTS version of CIV Gold has a setup which makes it possible to replace EDU with any other UnitArtStyle mod with only a couple of changes. The idea of temporarily using the vanilla civs set for the new civs is a good one. We could make a VD addon for CIV Gold this way.

    Making a total VD for all the new civs is a lot of work. CIV Gold will bring the total amount of civs to around 120 (32 + 36 + 52). Anyone who wants to make this, is more than welcome.

    Anyhow, VD won't be included in the main CIV Gold download, but maybe in the future there will be a VD Civ Gold expansion.

    (Edit: to avoid any confusion, where I said "vanilla", I meant "Firaxis" civs: Vanilla, Warlords and BTS civs)
     
  6. C.Roland

    C.Roland FFH Art team member

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    I'm happy that you still seem to like me after all those request:p I wasn't sure if I would get banned of the CivGold forum for my harassing request:D .

    I'll awnser your awnser one by one ! But first, I'll awnser Fierabras for the VD.

    I think this is the best solution. Release Gold 4.0 first, and than after an add-on with VD. If we merge the two, the file would be to heavy, so like this, you don't have to download VD if you don't want it.

    For all the custom civ, we should let the UnitArtStyle mod that you are curruntly using, and VD will only affect the vanilla, warlords and BtS civs and the custom civ that already have a VD art style (Poland, Hungary, Cuba already have one, maybe there is also other civs). After this, we can try to convince someone else to create new VD art style for some of the custom civ :D
     
  7. C.Roland

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    So for the new leaders :

    King, Trudeau, Cardenas, Hidalgo, d'Medici, Charles V, Hector, Amanishabheto are aproved !

    Michael Collins seem aproved too ??

    Tamerlain, it's up to you, do you want a Timurid Empire ? Personally, I don't mind if he's a mongol leader, but if you are willing to do a Timurid Empire it's cool !


    Uther - What do you dislike of him ? Is it because he's not very historical, because you don't like the art ? Or it's because you lack of time ?

    Calgalus - For the head, it's a very simple task that I can't do because nifviewer don't work with ATI card. It's only to rescale propotionaly the mesh with the rotation matrix (see rabbit white tut). If you aren't confortable with this, you only have to ask someone who have experience with nifskope and it's a 5 minutes job.

    I've alose forgot to point this LH : Argantonia of Tartessia (that also need to be rescale) http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=2820 that can surely find a place somewhere (not necersely as Argantonia, it can fit other leaders as well).

    Massinisa - As a Carthage leader, it's fine with me !

    Joan of Arc - What do you mean by shiny ?

    Ivan the Terrible - I suggest it because the LH art is cool (well, the leader himsel is cool too) If you don't want to add him as an other Russian leader, maybe it can find a place elsewhere. Maybe it can replace an existing LH that look to much like his base model. Horewer, if you have the time, it would be nice to have Ivan the Terrible.

    Franco - Spain is really lacking of Leader, so I think this one is good.

    Lenin - Well, with the heavy number of suggestions, I think this one is one of the lessimportant (well, for me). Russia have already four leader and I prefer Ivan the terribe to him.

    Wilhelmina of Netherlands - Suggested because there is only one dutch leader, but this one look much like Elizabeth, so maybe if you are lacking of time you may wait that there is a new leader that is more unique to come up.

    Theodra - So it shouldn't be too difficult ? Accepted ?:D

    Vlad III Drakula for Romania - I can do the crown job

    Selim - Not necerssely high on my list, I don't know on yours ? (because I feel a bit guilty to give you so much work :D I'm trying to cut )

    Franz Joseph - Maybe in the future, there will be less napoleon based leader if we redo some

    Victor Yushchenko - Suggested because the art was already made

    Abbas I - It's up to you

    Josip Broz Tito - If it's to much work, forget it. The balkans are already full

    Hussein, Ahmadinejad and Kim - ;)

    Sviatoslav - With Ukraine it would be nice

    Saruman - I agree for the Ainu, but i'm not convince for Skitigeit of the Haida. Can I see a screen shot of the actual Ainu ? Maybe your ainu can be recycled to an other leader.

    George I and Leonidas - Well, Alex and Phil were of greek ethnic, but king of Macedonia. The ruler over the greece because of conquest, no ? I would really like to to be able to play against Pericles or Leonidas AND Alexander of Philip !

    Harald - Wainting for your descision :D

    Robert the Bruce - Maybe we can only add the crown to yours.

    Richelieu - Not neceserly a must because we already have Louis XIV to reprsent the french absolutism, but the LH is totaly new so that is why I propred it !

    What about Dido :
    and

    Do you have an Idea of a Leader into wich I can recycle this one. It doesn't fit as a Hitler, but It is well made and can probably serve as a base of an other guy :
    That is why I'm cruel, I can't really help you, I more into art than code :p
     
  8. Fierabras

    Fierabras Chieftain

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    Provide the art and I will do the code. "If you build it..."

    (Edit: nevermind, we are talking about existing art, but any more Harald-type new art is welcome)
     
  9. Wyz_sub10

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    Yes for Collins. I think cyberxkhan is doing a Timurid civ. Let me double-check. Otherwise, it's easy to add him to the Mongols.

    Just because he isn't historical. But he wouldn't be the only one, as Gesser will be the leader of the Buryat. I don't have a problem including Uther.

    I have niksope. Let me check the tutorial and see.

    Hmmm...will look into that.


    I may be thinking of the other Joan LH. Let me re-check. One of them, though, is very shiney looking.

    Maybe this is one to add to the "terrible" pack. :)

    Great, thanks.

    I can just add it to another Balkan country - Croatia, Albania, Romania - they're all the same, in any case.

    :D Kidding, kidding, kidding

    Tonight I'll post an Ainu pic + a screen of my Ainu model and you can let me know what you think.

    Maybe I'll try a little poll to see what people think. The alternative is to create Macedonia with Phillip II, and keep Alexander with Greece OR make Alexander available to both!

    And it's a really good model! We should see how the count stacks up so that no one civ has too many leaders.

    Can add to Carthage. Can you see if maybe Boudica can be used as a base for one of the Trung sisters?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trung_Sisters

    Currently I have cyberxkhan's model in the Vietnam civ, but he's not entirely happy with it and I agree. So far, I don't have Boudica for anyone.

    Well, maybe he can be added to England as Mr. Bean! :D

    You know, with some different colouring on the uniform, he can be added to my "terrible leaders" pack as Augusto Pinochet!

    http://cache.eb.com/eb/image?id=92975&rendTypeId=4

    Well, there are plenty more LHs to be done! And for the above - fixing the crown for Vlad, changing Hitler's uniform to match Pinochet, and maybe making Idi Amin out of Sid would be helpful!

    http://www.nndb.com/people/992/000025917/amin-color.jpg
     
  10. Wyz_sub10

    Wyz_sub10 CIV Gold - Project Lead

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    King, Canada - DONE
    Trudeau, Canada - DONE
    Stephen, Magyar - DONE
    Charles V, HRE - DONE
    Amanishabheto, Nubia - DONE
     
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    Wyz_sub10 CIV Gold - Project Lead

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    BTW, here is my Ainu LH as discussed. Maybe I can revamp Saruman as the Ainu leader and move this one to the Haida....hmmmm.
     

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    Lorenzo de Medici, Italy - DONE

    A leaderhead a day keeps the doctor away ;)
     
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    Yeah, in my mind, yours look more Haida than Saruman and even if both are based on Tokugawa, I must admit that Saruman (with his big beard) look less like him, so I would prefer to have him as neighbourd(I really don't know how to spell that work and I'm lazy to check:D ) of Japan.


    :lol: Nice to heard about the progress
     
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    My answers of the answers of the awnsers :D

    Tamerlain - Fine in both case for me !

    Uther - Maybe it could fit for an other Welsh leader in that case, or an other leader of an other civ. I wanted to use the art because we can't really recognize the leader under. But it's fine if you prefer not to use it.



    Calgalus and Argantonia of Tartessia - I have nifskope too. What we need, is NifViewer. Like a said, it's a five minutes job for someone who know what he's doing.

    Joan of Arc - Here is the two version of her. I wanted you to use the first one, the one made by Iloveplayciv.



    Ivan the Terrible - In the terrible pack, it would be fine for me.

    Vlad III Drakula for Romania - I'll do the job on him.

    Josip Broz Tito - Let's forget it

    George I and Leonidas (and all the greece) - I'll wait for your decision before to comment :D

    Richelieu - With Joan of Arc, France will have to many leaders, I agree. If we want to add him, we would have to find Joan of Arc an other place somewhere. Do you have an idea of a medieval female leader ? I mentionned Sigrid the Haugthy, but i'm not relly convince about it. If we have to choose between Richelieu and Joan, I prefer Joan because France don't have any medieval leader.

    Dido - Thanks ;)

    Trung - You really seem to like Boudica model :D I must admit that after all my recycle, I'll only do leaderheads from scratch, so we won't have this annoying problem that this leader look to much like this one. But it could be a nice suggestion to make to dutchking if he have some free time.
     
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    Wyz_sub10 CIV Gold - Project Lead

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    I'll ask him.

    As for Joan of Arc - well, it'd be nice to have her in order to recreate all past Civ leaders.

    Alternately, Caterina Sforza may be a possibility.

    You know, I cannot seem to find a download for NifViewer anywhere, and I have been looking for ages.
     
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    Nif Viewer is included in the max tools, see the sticked thread in the main forum.

    For Joan of Arc, it's cool if you include at her,

    if not, here is other suggestions of Medieval girls that leaded their troops during battle.

    Urraca of Castile (Spain)
    Matilda of Tuscany (Italy)
    Thyra (Viking or Denmark)
    Ethelfleda (English or Anglo-Saxon Tribe)
    Eleanor of Aquitaine (French and English)
     
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    random notification:

    Cardenas, Mexico - DONE
    Hidalgo, Mexico - DONE

    Alaric (C.Roland's Harald), Goths - DONE
    Bolivar (Ekmek's) , Bolivarian Nations - DONE

    Amra's suggestion for using Harald for Alaric:



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaric_I

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    Nice !
     
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    It's me agin with anoying requests :D

    No leaders this time, it's more about UU.

    Most of the UU are reskin only (mainly because a lot of civ have been made before the release of the tools that enable model modification), so with 4.0, it would be nice to replace some older UU graphic with better ones. I havn't look trought all the forum and DB, but those threads may helps you if you want to update your UU graphic :

    Poland Winged Hussar: http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=6920
    Or an other version here : http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=236188

    For, Hungary maybe you should take the unit from this civ: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=248462

    Could replace some old UU : http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=260079

    Hope I'm not to harassing ! :p
     
  20. Fierabras

    Fierabras Chieftain

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    Suggestions are always welcome. The new Poland Winged Hussar is in. If you also have some UB suggestions, I would like to hear them.
     

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