National traits

[RedRalph]

How I know national characteristics are for the most part BS (Irish, dont drink Guiness) but broadly speaking, what Civ traits would you assign to real-life countries (not leaders) in the past 50-odd years/Post WW2? How bout these. I hope no one find them offensive, its not meant to have a go at any nationality, just put rea-world countries in a Civ context

Germany - Industrious, Protective
UK - Creative, Financial
USA - Aggressive or Imp, Charismatic
CCCP/Russia - Imp, Expansive
France - Philisophical, Creative
Japan - Industrious, Protective
Iran - Spiritual, Protective
Israel - Aggressive, Protective


Ireland, until very recently, spiritual, but now I'd say Financial & Creative

 

[RedRalph]

Oh, and

China - Expansive, Industrious

 

[SkippyT]

I'd rate it like this:
Financial - rich . .. .. .. .. .es
Organized - other rich . .. .. .. .. .es
Expansive - healthy
Creative - arty
Philosophical - education/great people
Aggressive - country that invades other countries
Charismatic - drains immigrants/tourists. not really sure about this one
Industrious - much industry going on
Protective - large defensive army
Spiritual - religious
Imperialistic - don't know.

Norway - Financial, Organized
Sweden - Expansive, Creative
Finland - Philosophical, Expansive
Denmark - Philosophical, Creative
Iceland - Financial, Expansive
USA - Aggressive, Charismatic
PRC - Industrious, Protective
Israel - Aggressive, Protective
Canada - Charismatic, Expansive
Russia/USSR - Aggressive, Industrious
Belgium - Charismatic, Creative
Spain - Charismatic, Spiritual
Ireland - Financial, Creative
France - Charismatic, Creative
Iran - Spiritual, Protective
Germany - Industrious, Philosophical
UK - Organized, Charismatic
North-Korea - Protective, Organized
South-Korea - Philosophical, Financial
Japan - Industrious, Financial
Italy - Industrious, Creative

Ok, maybe I went a little too far

 

[RedRalph]

Good post! I dont think Spain is particularly religious anymore though

 

[SkippyT]

Good post! I dont think Spain is particularly religious anymore though

Ya, you're right. But up until recently I think they were.

 

[Pikkis]

I'd rate it like this:

Norway - Financial, Organized
Sweden - Expansive, Creative
Finland - Philosophical, Expansive
Denmark - Philosophical, Creative
Iceland - Financial, Expansive
USA - Aggressive, Charismatic
PRC - Industrious, Protective
Israel - Aggressive, Protective
Canada - Charismatic, Expansive
Russia/USSR - Aggressive, Industrious
Belgium - Charismatic, Creative
Spain - Financial, Spiritual
Ireland - Financial, Creative
France - Charismatic, Philosophical
Iran - Spiritual, Protective
Germany - Industrious, Philosophical
UK - Organized, Charismatic
North-Korea - Protective, Organized
South-Korea - Philosophical, Financial
Japan - Industrious, Financial
Italy - Industrious, Creative

Ok, maybe I went a little too far

At least you added much North European countries! This is just my thought, but shouln't those nuclear-weaponry testing countries (Iran, North-Korea) be Aggressive, not Protective?

What about this: India - [Creative/Industrious/Philosophical], Spiritual?

What do you think could represent modern Greece?

 

[RedRalph]

Hold on - India has tested nukes and explicitly threatened another nation with them. North Korea havent, and if you had your eyes even half open you would know Iran hasnt even got a nuclear weapons program, much less nuclear weapons

 

[AlessioCerci]

No Iran doesnt have a nuclear weapns program, they do have weapons grade plutonium though, hmmm what ever could that be used for.

 

[RedRalph]

So being in possesion of weapons grade plutonium makes you aggressive?

 

[SkippyT]

At least you added much North European countries! This is just my thought, but shouln't those nuclear-weaponry testing countries (Iran, North-Korea) be Aggressive, not Protective?

I know most about North-European countries

But about the nuclear thing... I assigned them all (USA, PRC, Russia, UK, Israel and France) with war-traits even though the French and British ones are more peaceful.
But would building nuclear weapons be a sign of aggression? These countries claim that they're using it for defensive purposes.

But yeah, I didn't know what Pakistan or India could be.
Suggestions:
Pakistan - Spiritual is what pops to my mind first, but then what? Protective? Aggressive?
India - Spiritual also comes first to my mind. Maybe it should have Philosophical because I think I read somewhere that India has the most universities in the world.. Maybe industrious because of the great up-building in the country. But then, India has tested nuclear weaponry, but I don't really see India as Aggressive nor Protective.
Greece - No idea. Creative perhaps since the Greeks have been hosting many competitions recently; the Olympics and Eurovision.
Poland - No idea either. Maybe they should get Industrious because of Lech Walesa's profession

 

[Tanktunker]

I'd rate it like this:
Aggressive - country that invades other countries
...
Israel - Aggressive, Protective

Wuuuuuuuuut?

 

[SkippyT]

Wuuuuuuuuut?

In the past 50 years Israel has invaded the following countries:
Palestine, Syria, Egypt, Jordan and Lebanon and has defended itself from attacks from those nations as well.
They are well deserving of the Agg/Pro traits IMO.

 

[Tanktunker]

Cite wars/dates/sources?
Israel has never entered enemy territory without being attacked, and that's more retaliation than invasion.

 

[SkippyT]

The Six-day war where Israel took on Egypt, Jordan and Syria in 1967.

Israel had seized the Gaza strip, West bank, Golan heights and Sinai peninsula.

Later, the 1982 Lebanon war happened where Southern-Lebanon was captured by Israel and they even reached Beirut.

I almost forgot the Yom Kippur war of 1973 where Israel won a protective victory.

 

[Tanktunker]

Hizballah militia fired rockets at Israeli settlements prior to the 1982 War, The Yom Kippur War was protective and the aggressor position in the Six Day war isn't black and white.

 

[andrewlt]

I'd rate it like this:
Financial - rich . .. .. .. .. .es
Organized - other rich . .. .. .. .. .es
Expansive - healthy
Creative - arty
Philosophical - education/great people
Aggressive - country that invades other countries
Charismatic - drains immigrants/tourists. not really sure about this one
Industrious - much industry going on
Protective - large defensive army
Spiritual - religious
Imperialistic - don't know.

Norway - Financial, Organized
Sweden - Expansive, Creative
Finland - Philosophical, Expansive
Denmark - Philosophical, Creative
Iceland - Financial, Expansive
USA - Aggressive, Charismatic
PRC - Industrious, Protective
Israel - Aggressive, Protective
Canada - Charismatic, Expansive
Russia/USSR - Aggressive, Industrious
Belgium - Charismatic, Creative
Spain - Charismatic, Spiritual
Ireland - Financial, Creative
France - Charismatic, Creative
Iran - Spiritual, Protective
Germany - Industrious, Philosophical
UK - Organized, Charismatic
North-Korea - Protective, Organized
South-Korea - Philosophical, Financial
Japan - Industrious, Financial
Italy - Industrious, Creative

Ok, maybe I went a little too far

I agree with most with a few exceptions. Japan is really more organized than financial. They could also be expansive if healthy is what you base it upon though they are more known for being organized/industrious. Their banking system isn't very good and is actually one of the weak points in their economy. The UK, in contrast, should be financial instead of organized. London is tops in IPOs now and has always been a huge financial center.

The USA could really be financial, organized and spiritual as well but I think aggressive/charismatic is a pretty good choice. South Korea should probably be spiritual instead of philosophical. I don't think North Korea should be organized. Their economy is a complete mess. Of course, if you mean organized crime, then they're very good at that. I can't find a second trait for them. Protective seems to be the only good fit. They could be aggressive/protective but that is already Israel. Switzerland is easily protective/financial.

Oh, and Mexico is spiritual/aggressive. They're aggressively coming here to Los Angeles.

 

[Lurking Liu]

Ivasions can be justified, Mr Tanktunker, but that doesn't mean they aren't invasions. I'm a big fan of Israel (I don't like talking politics on a video game board, though, so I won't get into that more than to further explain that since Sharon came to power my fan-level has waned significantly). But those are still invasions =P

 

[SkippyT]

I agree with most with a few exceptions. Japan is really more organized than financial. They could also be expansive if healthy is what you base it upon though they are more known for being organized/industrious. Their banking system isn't very good and is actually one of the weak points in their economy. The UK, in contrast, should be financial instead of organized. London is tops in IPOs now and has always been a huge financial center.

The USA could really be financial, organized and spiritual as well but I think aggressive/charismatic is a pretty good choice. South Korea should probably be spiritual instead of philosophical. I don't think North Korea should be organized. Their economy is a complete mess. Of course, if you mean organized crime, then they're very good at that. I can't find a second trait for them. Protective seems to be the only good fit. They could be aggressive/protective but that is already Israel. Switzerland is easily protective/financial.

Oh, and Mexico is spiritual/aggressive. They're aggressively coming here to Los Angeles.

I agree with all of what you said besides that South Korea should be Spiritual instead of Philosophical.
Japan has many available traits, and you're right about organized. But since Japan has the highest life expectancy in the world, on second though, I'd give them Expansive, since Iceland and Sweden who come 2nd and 3rd if I remember correctly are both Expansive.

There are many countries I can only find one trait for..
Serbia/Yugoslavia - Aggressive
Netherlands - Charismatic
Indonesia - Spiritual
Greece - Creative
etc.

 

[SkippyT]

Hizballah militia fired rockets at Israeli settlements prior to the 1982 War, The Yom Kippur War was protective and the aggressor position in the Six Day war isn't black and white.

That doesn't change that Israel attacked these countries and conquered their lands, and that's what I call aggressive.

 

[Pikkis]

Hold on - India has tested nukes and explicitly threatened another nation with them. North Korea havent, and if you had your eyes even half open you would know Iran hasnt even got a nuclear weapons program, much less nuclear weapons

So being in possesion of weapons grade plutonium makes you aggressive?

My mistake, shouldn't have talked about "tests". But I think Iran's program has something to do with nuclear weapons too (clearly offtopic). Though India has tested them, Spiritual and cultural traits go over it in this discussion, I think. And thinking Kim Il-sing and Kim Jong-il (the only two North Korean rulers since 1948, 59 years), would you really give them Protective rather than Aggressive? Protective (trait) and Police State (fc), nice combination isn't it? And I think that Iran is too rather Aggressive or then Industrious, because it makes it own military weaponry.