sorry if i wasn't being more reasonable...seriously, i'm not being sarcastic. :anyway...from what I've read, in CW's War, the Pakistani's estimated the total afghan deaths, refugees, muja, women/children, as almost 1/3 of 40 million people. This is referred to as "soldier" deaths, because the men and boys would rest in the refugee camps around Peshawar, then head off to fight. In 1989, the soviets cited 12,000 Red Army deaths, but later, Russian Fed. officials cited it as 25,000. :By saying Iran-Contra, i'm clumping this all together. The Contra cause of Reagan's was crucified by all branches of the government, while the Afghan cause was championed..there's a reason the Contras lost, and it was funding. :Again, from what I've read, Iran provided only refugee camps for the Afghans. :yeah, i know of the border conflicts between USSR and PRC. There were a few division sized battles there, if I recall correctly. I have a feeling, due to Red Army losses, and the fact that Pakistan would've been a much easier target than China, the Soviets might have actually considered invasion. Afghanistan was the CIA's largest operation and escalation (money and weapons-wise) in history. $30 billion dollars, 1/5 of Vietnam, and a longer war...but you've also got to count that Vietnam wasn't so much an "operation" as it was a war. So Afghanistan was the largest "no-US Military on the ground" operation.