Naval combat short

[AriochIV]

It's not really important, but I think our earliest conformation of this was the Norman ability in the Antiquity stream.

They showed a Scout embarking in their very first gameplay video three months ago.

 

[TheGhostEnthusiast]

They showed a Scout embarking in their very first gameplay video three months ago.

Good catch! Any Civ 7 historians, write that down!

 

[frutiemax]

Didn't realized that cities built next to a river can now be captured by a melee naval unit. This is a huge game changer!

 

[stealth_nsk]

Didn't realized that cities built next to a river can now be captured by a melee naval unit. This is a huge game changer!

Only to navigable rivers. There are also regular rivers.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

You do get a Happiness boost for having your city center adjacent to fresh water, similar to Civ 6's Housing boost, so there is an incentive to building adjacent to water where those pirates might be trouble.

 

[Klaus Hergersheimer]

The inclusion of rivers you can travel is probably one of the biggest game changes they could have done, as now there is some danger from invasion.
In previous games, there was never any reason not to found a city on a river-coast-hill tile; but this complicates things for sure.

 

[Evie]

Returning briefly to the topic of how *fast* airplanes evolved : Thomas Sopwith presided (as head of Sopwith) over the development of the Pup and Camel biplanes, and (as head of Hawker-Siddley), over that of the Harrier VTOL jet.

(And, indirectly, via a Canadian subsidiary, over the development of the infamous Avro Arrow. And because having his hand in one Canadian national symbol isn't enough, he also goaltended the first British national hockey team to a victory in the first IIHF tournament between national teams (but Canada was only allowed in for demonstration games, not as a competition team, so it doesn't count)).

 

[Takfloyd]

Turn back to the navy, I can't deny that I am a big gun lover. My biggest disappointment in Civ 6 was the missile cruiser. It was way too much small to be an upgradeable unit of the massive battleship.

I hope Civ 7 will contain more reasonable modern navy tree. We need Battleship-and-Cruiser for the WW2 era, and Destroyer-and-Frigate for the later era.

Every unit having to fit into a narrow list of "upgrade paths" consisting of straight upgrades is one of the big examples of the series becoming dumbed down and "gamified" from Civ V onward, at the cost of historical flavor and accuracy.

In Civ 3 and Civ 4, the modern missile cruisers were not more powerful in direct combat than the battleship, but made up for it with versatility such as anti-air and anti-submarine defenses, radar, the ability to carry missile units, more movement and so on.

 

[gdr_willter]

Every unit having to fit into a narrow list of "upgrade paths" consisting of straight upgrades is one of the big examples of the series becoming dumbed down and "gamified" from Civ V onward, at the cost of historical flavor and accuracy.

In Civ 3 and Civ 4, the modern missile cruisers were not more powerful in direct combat than the battleship, but made up for it with versatility such as anti-air and anti-submarine defenses, radar, the ability to carry missile units, more movement and so on.

It sounds like exactly same with what the missile cruiser did in Civ 5 tho

 

[gdr_willter]

We already have videos and screenshots showing ACW-era ironclads, pre-dreadnoughts (but with triple turrets), and WWII battleships.

This might suggest a complete unit upgrade chain of Ironclads——Pre-Dreads——Battleships.

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After a while to consider about things around the Modern Navy, now I have a different idea about the upgrade chain.

We know the most of Modern Civ list including France, America, Mughal, and (not fixed) Qing. They sailed in early modern time IRL (~mid 19th century) with wooden warships indeed, so I think the Modern tier 1 naval units will more make sense if they are shown as wooden ships - like the frigate and the ship of the line. They may be steam-powered version of them considering the period that the game try to show.

With this idea, I may see three possibilities for that Civil War ironclad based on CSS Virginia:

1. Unique Unit of America. But I'll expect USS Monitor for it in this case, so it doesn't sound so much likely.
2. Tier 2 unit among the 4 tiers of the Naval Ranged Units. I still don't like it, and no difference with just starting with that Ironclad as the tier 1 unit.
3. Unit of the other upgrade tree, like the Naval Raider Units. 6T mod adopted this way, but it becuase they want to reuse Civ 6 ironclad modeling. And there is no clue about the other naval tree unless melee, ranged and carrier in Civ 7 till now. But this is the possibility that I prefer.

 

[Takfloyd]

It sounds like exactly same with what the missile cruiser did in Civ 5 tho

No? The Missile Cruiser in Civ 5 is much more powerful than the Battleship and a straight upgrade.

 

[gdr_willter]

No? The Missile Cruiser in Civ 5 is much more powerful than the Battleship and a straight upgrade.

Stronger but can't be directly upgraded from BB. I confidently remember this because this was the biggest change in the later navy of Civ 5 and 6.

 

[King of Prussia]

To be fair as someone who loves Battleships, missile cruisers are an upgrade over Battleships. They have their niche that was never really replaced, but they were already on the way out during WW2. Outside of the Iowas and museum ships, the rest were scrapped or sank.