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Need advice on 2nd or 3rd city (vanilla, Gandhi, Monarch)

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Strategy & Tips' started by Bleys, Jan 1, 2008.

  1. Bleys

    Bleys Deity

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    This will be my first attempt to create a cohesive thread with screen-shots of my game. Its still vanilla (buying BTS on Friday), so remember, Gandhi is Spi/Ind. I am planning to play a WE/CE/SE hybrid, I like wonders, and I like specialists, but I dont think I can win on this level without cottages . . . yet.

    Heres the start. It should be noted that I did scout around a bit before actually "starting", but I am playing Marathon speed so I didnt bother teching to BW or AH to reveal copper or horses ahead of time. I just ensured I had adequate land to settle, and wasn't surrounded by the other civs.

    The game setings are: Vanilla Civ IV, Marathon speed , Standard size, Custom Continents = 3, 7 civs (including me), Monarch level. Here is my start:


    Not bad at all. Potential for a nice capitol here, with plenty of food, commerce and hammers.

    Here is the SS I have a question about. A very common conundrum. Which is the best spot to settle? Should I rely on my cultural borders to get the stone, and focus on the best food spot, or include the stone in my BFC? Note, this is only about 6 or 7 tiles down from my capitol (you can see the same forest edge in both pics). Also, should I wait to make this my 3rd city area, using my first settler to try and cut off the western front, since I seem to be alone on this eastern chunk of this continent?



    Other notables: My planned tech order is Hunting (for a scout and AH), AH, Ag, Priesthood, holding off on founding a religion til CoL, likely. My build priority is Warrior, Scout, Worker, Settler, Worker, and chop out a wonder, either Stonehenge, the Oracle or Pyramids, whatever seems to be my best shot (probably Oracle thne Pyramids, and using the Oracle to slingshot CoL). Feel free to comment on this as well. In hindsight, perhaps I should have tried Poly, Ag, AH, Priesthood, and had my worker mine the gold then start a farm until AH is done and I can get the cows. I tend to like a scout as early as possible with non-hunting leaders, for max hut-popping potential and fast land survey. I dont reload huts endlessly though, I like cash, a unit, or techs, although I do this with the hope of popping a tech or two. It seems to work on this level usually, but perhaps its a bad habit if my ultimate goal is climbing the difficulty ladder.

    Any comments will be very welcome.
     
  2. Bureaucracy

    Bureaucracy Chieftain

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    One question. If you are playing marathon speed and starting today, but getting BtS on Friday, does that not mean you will probably end up not completing this game? :) Unless you decide to keep BtS in the box for a while, which I highly doubt.
     
  3. Bleys

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    Well, I am disabled, so I have plenty of free time on my hands. I will likely NOT "finish" this game, I rarely finish any games, to be honest. I generally play until I have a very solid lead in points (double my closest competiton by 1900 AD), techs, strategic position and military power, then move on. In fact, I have yet to actually build a spaceship.

    One of the main reasons for my questions is that it seems to be a common query on these boards. "Where should I place my city" is such a critical decision, especially in the long-term on higher levels.

    For the record, I have played further, found my first opponent (Japan about 20 tiles east) and am in the process of chopping out a settler to cut him off. I will then build a 2nd settler, and move to the Oracle-Pyramid phase of my chopping, once I settle the stone area. The fact that I have decided to settle that area already is irrelevant to this thread (I am going for the food, and waiting for 2 culture pops for the stone). Many people, including me, are struggling with this very issue. Look at the amount of "dotmap help" and "Whats the best city site" threads. I felt this was an excellent example to try to help with this question, as well as work on my posting techniques/narrative.
     
  4. AmazonQueen

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    I'd settle on the desert next to the stone. You'll have 3 food resources in your BFC and being able to work the stone quickly will be a big help if you decide to build any of the early wonders whose cost it cuts.

    Re city placement I sometimes spend a lot of time thinking about it but am usually dissatisfied with the end result. Much as I struggle to find it theres rarely a perfect arrangement and you usually have to sacrifice something.
     
  5. Bleys

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    Thank you AQ, not a bad idea at all. I am usually against settling without water even in SIGHT, but this seems an ideal case.

    If I am going with this plan, I should probably go even farther, and settle the forest-plains just north of the one you suggested, or even the forest-grass next to it, getting the food, plus a couple few hills to mine (and good coverage for rez that gets exposed later, like copper, iron, coal, etc). That would still leave room for a very nice city along the shore to the south.

    NOTE: I actually settled the coast with both the stone and 2 seafood, but it wasnt so far back I cant re-load. Not much else happened.
     

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