Need feedback on expanding the Great Diplomat names

[balparmak]

VP has only 25 great diplomats, while other GPs have ~150 each. I'm sure I ran out of GDs before, so an expansion wouldn't hurt. Asterix Rage was working on this, but it never got finalized and they aren't active anymore. The latest version of their work isn't available, this is what I found on More GPs thread:

Currently in VP 2.7 (25 names):

Spoiler VP 2.7 :

KISSINGER
ALBRIGHT
ANNAN
BAN
BELL
DINTEVILLE
DURRELL
DAG
WHOWARD
JAY
KOLLONTAI
LAWRENCE
METTERNICH
NERUDA
ODO
SELVE
SEWARD
SHIGERU
SZABO
TALLEYRAND
THANT
WALDHEIM
WALLENBERG
WEIJUN
ZIMMERMAN

Asterix (65 names):

Spoiler Asterix :

'Titus Quinctius Flamininus', 'ERA_CLASSICAL'
'Pope Leo I', 'ERA_CLASSICAL'
'Jigonhsasee', 'ERA_MEDIEVAL'
'Baldassare Castiglione', 'ERA_RENAISSANCE'
'Eustace Chapuys', 'ERA_RENAISSANCE'
'Kamehameha III', 'ERA_RENAISSANCE'
'Pargali Ibrahim Pacha', 'ERA_RENAISSANCE'
'Sir Thomas Roe', 'ERA_RENAISSANCE'
'Hugo Grotius', 'ERA_RENAISSANCE'
'Johann Rudolf Wettstein', 'ERA_RENAISSANCE'
'Kosa Pan', 'ERA_RENAISSANCE'
'Lord Macartney', 'ERA_RENAISSANCE'
'Moshoeshoe I', 'ERA_RENAISSANCE'
'Sir Stratford Canning', 'ERA_RENAISSANCE'
'Albert von Mensdorff', 'ERA_INDUSTRIAL'
'José Maria da Silva Paranhos', 'ERA_INDUSTRIAL'
'Orestes Ferrara', 'ERA_INDUSTRIAL'
'Sir Samuel Ebenezer Runganadhan', 'ERA_INDUSTRIAL'
'Robert Anthony Eden', 'ERA_INDUSTRIAL'
'Tran Van Chuong', 'ERA_INDUSTRIAL'
'Miguel Ángel Asturias', 'ERA_INDUSTRIAL'
'Narciso Ramos', 'ERA_INDUSTRIAL'
'Suzanne Borel', 'ERA_INDUSTRIAL'
'George F. Kennan', 'ERA_INDUSTRIAL'
'Yakov Malik', 'ERA_INDUSTRIAL'
'Shanker Shamsher Jang Bahadur Rana', 'ERA_INDUSTRIAL'
'Adam Malik', 'ERA_MODERN'
'Stéphane Hessel', 'ERA_MODERN'
'Javier Perez de Cuellar', 'ERA_MODERN'
'Boutros Boutros-Ghali', 'ERA_MODERN'
'Max Jakobson', 'ERA_MODERN'
'Gérard Ouédraogo', 'ERA_MODERN'
'Eduard Shevardnadze', 'ERA_MODERN'
'Zbigniew Brzezinski', 'ERA_MODERN'
'Lawrence Eagleburger', 'ERA_MODERN'
'Redha Malek', 'ERA_MODERN'
'Patrick Nothomb', 'ERA_MODERN'
'Larbi Messari', 'ERA_MODERN'
'Donald McHenry', 'ERA_MODERN'
'Peter Jay', 'ERA_MODERN'
'Ali Treki', 'ERA_MODERN'
'Jacques Diouf', 'ERA_MODERN'
'Jiri Grusa', 'ERA_MODERN'
'Endymion Wilkinson', 'ERA_MODERN'
'Mountaga Diallo', 'ERA_MODERN'
'Migonette Patricia Durrant', 'ERA_MODERN'
'Arthur J. Collingsworth', 'ERA_MODERN'
'Roble Olhaye', 'ERA_MODERN'
'César Mayoral', 'ERA_POSTMODERN'
'Masatoshi Muto', 'ERA_POSTMODERN'
'Benedikt Ásgeirsson', 'ERA_POSTMODERN'
'Vitali Tchourkine', 'ERA_POSTMODERN'
'Andreï Karlov', 'ERA_POSTMODERN'
'Mats Foyer', 'ERA_POSTMODERN'
'Saëb Erakat', 'ERA_POSTMODERN'
'Jamal al-Jamal', 'ERA_POSTMODERN'
'Zhao Lijian', 'ERA_POSTMODERN'
'Raychelle Omamo', 'ERA_POSTMODERN'
'Susan Rice', 'ERA_POSTMODERN'
'Ahmed Sareer', 'ERA_POSTMODERN'
'Samantha Smith', 'ERA_POSTMODERN'
'Nikola Dimitrov', 'ERA_POSTMODERN'
'Carolyn Rodrigues', 'ERA_POSTMODERN'
'Vuk Jeremic', 'ERA_POSTMODERN'
'Julie Chappell', 'ERA_POSTMODERN'

@pineappledan 's suggestions:

Spoiler pdan :

Johann Rudolf Wettstein
Pope Leo I
Ibrahim Pasha
Jose Maria da Silva Paranho
Moshoeshoe I
Jigonhsasee
Kamehameha III
Kosa Pan

@Hinin 's suggestions:

Spoiler Hinin :

Roya Rahmani
Adnan Z. Amin
Anna Anderson
Leonidas Donskis
Marie Amelie Lam Po Tang
Nikolay Platoshkin
Ngedikes Olai Uludong
Francis Martin O'Donnell

@gwennog 's suggestions:

Spoiler gwennog :

Raoni Metuktire
Aya Chebbi

Asterix' - information era additions:

Spoiler Asterix - information era :

Nadia Murad,
Malala Yousafzai,
Aalayah Eastmond,
Greta Thunberg,

Note that this is not a proposal as running out of GDs is an issue. If there are no objections I'll merge all the names above, add/remove names depending on the feedback and finalize the list, would be great if @pineappledan and @Hinin can let me know which eras their suggestions fit the best, I believe gwennog's are for information. It'd also make me very happy anyone can do that for the current list.

 

[pineappledan]

Looks like the my only recommendations that aren't part of AR's original list are:
'Ibrahim Pasha', 'ERA_RENAISSANCE'
'José Paranhos', 'ERA_INDUSTRIAL'
'Issapóómahksika', 'ERA_INDUSTRIAL'

 

[Recursive]

I'd add Volodymyr Zelenskyy.

 

[Delvemor]

Greta Thunberg is in there. I don't really care but it doesn't make much sense. She's more an activist for the environment than a diplomat.

 

[Recursive]

Greta Thunberg is in there. I don't really care but it doesn't make much sense. She's more an activist for the environment than a diplomat.

She's spoken at the UN, has inspired millions of people, and the fact that nearly everyone knows her name and cause is a diplomatic victory in itself.

 

[Delvemor]

Denis Mukwege won the same Nobel Prize as Nadia Murad who is already mentioned. He would be one more for the Information era.

 

[pineappledan]

It looks like we have a serious recency bias. We need more classical and medieval names and a moratorium on people who are still alive
Classical:
Priscus - classicist historian and sophist, was an envoy to Attila and one of the only reliable sources we have about him
Galla Placidia - sister of the Roman emperor. wife of Athaulf, king of the visigoths. Consort of constantius III. Key figure in the late western Roman Empire.

 

[Recursive]

and a moratorium on people who are still alive

Why? If they do something horrible we can always scratch them off the list, and I doubt many famous/influential people will be upset about being given a minor tribute in a game mod.

No objections to more historical names, but I will point out that Great Diplomat generation is not as frequent in the earlier eras due to a lack of specialist buildings.

 

[CrazyG]

She's spoken at the UN, has inspired millions of people, and the fact that nearly everyone knows her name and cause is a diplomatic victory in itself.

Inspiring millions of people or people knowing your name aren't related to diplomacy at all (fun fact in Chinese she's just called 'Swedish Girl'). I don't think speaking at the UN alone makes a person a diplomat. Otherwise Angelina Jolie and many other hollywood actors count.

 

[CppMaster]

Would Martin Luther King fit here?

 

[Recursive]

Inspiring millions of people or people knowing your name aren't related to diplomacy at all (fun fact in Chinese she's just called 'Swedish Girl'). I don't think speaking at the UN alone makes a person a diplomat. Otherwise Angelina Jolie and many other hollywood actors count.

Valid, but inspiring millions of people to take your position is arguably related to diplomacy.

edit: On a political issue

 

[Delvemor]

Would Martin Luther King fit here?

If Greta Thunberg fits, Martin Luther King certainly does too.

 

[gwennog]

I believe gwennog's are for information.

Sorry, not very good to dertermine what era is it but :
Raoni Metuktire was born in 1932 and is really active internationally from 1989
Aya Chebbi was born in 1988 and can be considered active from 2010

 

[pineappledan]

I’m against the inclusion of activists into the GDiplomat name list. Activism and champions of social issues are great, but famous statesmen and diplomats are what I would prefer.

 

[gwennog]

It looks like we have a serious recency bias. We need more classical and medieval names and a moratorium on people who are still alive

Wang Xuance - Guard Officer and Diplomat - Tang Dynasty 7th century - ERA_CLASSICAL

 

[gwennog]

I’m against the inclusion of activists into the GDiplomat name list. Activism and champions of social issues are great, but famous statesmen and diplomats are what I would prefer.

The therm of activist for Aya Chabbi is debatable but Roani is really a Diplomat and a statesman.

 

[azum4roll]

Zhang Qian - 2nd Century BC

 

[psparky]

I think the MoreGP project did add diplomats. Perhaps they were lost in the great merge as they had to be in the old (4) mod, rather than in (1) like the others.

I converted the list into a mod I could use with an older version. This is what I've got:

 

[Emperorman1]

Martti Ahtisaari, Nobel Peace Prize Winner and President of Finland, Modern Era

 

[balparmak]

I think the MoreGP project did add diplomats. Perhaps they were lost in the great merge as they had to be in the old (4) mod, rather than in (1) like the others.

I converted the list into a mod I could use with an older version. This is what I've got:

This is great, thanks!