Neoconservatism vs Paleoconservatism

[Bast]

Over the last few years, it's been really popular to bash Neoconservatism or "Neocons". You don't hear about it that much these days, months. Still... there are a lot of myths going around. I know what it is but I want people here to explain to me in their words what they think it is and what it means to them.

In contrast to that, I want to talk about how people like Ron Paul ran their campaigns using the unpopularity of the Neoconservative movement to promote their movement: Paleoconservatism. Ron Paul is a paleoconservative. Does anyone disagree? I'm just using him as an example to contrast between the two. I don't want this to be a discussion about him.

So, I want to understand why paleoconservatism - among many things it's fiercely anti-immigration and desire to preserve the heritage or the racial purity of the nations - is good or the ideal form of conservatism. Sounds reactionary right wing BS to me. Am I correct? Why is it that when people talk about conservatism, they want to go back to this form of conservatism. Does that mean they think conservatism should equal anti-civil rights, anti-immigration etc...?

So please explain to me why paleoconservatism is better or if you think it's not why it's not etc...

Discuss.

 

[Yeekim]

Trying to preserve heritage of nations is reactionary right-wing BS?

 

[RedRalph]

AFAIK the difference is really more to do with their views on foreign policy Bast

 

[Bast]

AFAIK the difference is really more to do with their views on foreign policy Bast

They differ vastly in domestic issues.

 

[RedRalph]

They differ vastly in domestic issues.

such as? ...

 

[Bast]

such as? ...

Immigration?

 

[RedRalph]

Immigration?

Well, care to give some examples, citations etc?

also, what else? I know they do differ on some domestic issues but it's my understanding that the real divisive issues between them tends to be on foreign policy

 

[potatokiosk]

Over the last few years, it's been really popular to bash Neoconservatism or "Neocons". You don't hear about it that much these days, months. Still... there are a lot of myths going around. I know what it is but I want people here to explain to me in their words what they think it is and what it means to them.

In contrast to that, I want to talk about how people like Ron Paul ran their campaigns using the unpopularity of the Neoconservative movement to promote their movement: Paleoconservatism. Ron Paul is a paleoconservative. Does anyone disagree? I'm just using him as an example to contrast between the two. I don't want this to be a discussion about him.

So, I want to understand why paleoconservatism - among many things it's fiercely anti-immigration and desire to preserve the heritage or the racial purity of the nations - is good or the ideal form of conservatism. Sounds reactionary right wing BS to me. Am I correct? Why is it that when people talk about conservatism, they want to go back to this form of conservatism. Does that mean they think conservatism should equal anti-civil rights, anti-immigration etc...?

So please explain to me why paleoconservatism is better or if you think it's not why it's not etc...

Discuss.

Why are you so obsessed with American political terms?

 

[Bast]

Well, care to give some examples, citations etc?

also, what else? I know they do differ on some domestic issues but it's my understanding that the real divisive issues between them tends to be on foreign policy

That's not the point. The point is why is a movement that is so staunchly anti-immigration and for heritage purity an ideal?

 

[RedRalph]

That's not the point. The point is why is a movement that is so staunchly anti-immigration and for heritage purity an ideal?

Because there are a lot of lunatics out there, thats why. Same reason for some people vast accumulation of wealth by a tiny minority is an ideal.

 

[philippe]

oopsie doo. nothing to see here. Nothing ever happened. Get back to work ladies and gents.

 

[RedRalph]

Moderator Action: I don't like where this thread is going

You arent a mod

 

[Bast]

Moderator Action: I don't like where this thread is going

You'll get in trouble for impersonating a mod.

 

[Phlegmak]

Trying to preserve heritage of nations is reactionary right-wing BS?

I don't agree.

 

[Munch]

... and then there're the theoconservatives, pushing the religious conservative agendas, but they overlap a lot with the neoconservatives, who we haven't properly defined, perhaps through a marriage of convenience (and money). What we need is a Venn diagram.

 

[philippe]

You arent a mod

Like i didn't know.

You'll get in trouble for impersonating a mod.

Oh no! neh, just messing around with tags and giving a sign that i actually don't like where this thread is going.

 

[Love]

How about socialism or liberalism and their likes?

Are they out in the cold? Freezing?

Want me to get a blanket for you?

 

[Gogf]

I think the biggest difference is that neoconservatism is primarily a foreign policy doctrine that's concerned with spreading democracy. The first neoconservatives were actually former liberal intellectuals who were dissatisfied with the anti-war attitudes of the left as a reaction to the Vietnam War. In contrast, paleoconservatives tend to be relatively isolationist and more concerned with domestic policy.

 

[Rossiya]

I prefer interconservatism or neoliberalconservatism to neoconservatism, paleoconservatism or even their close cousins dixieconservatism and whateverconservatism.