Never Before Seen Civs - Elimination Game

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The Kingmaker

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Given the revitalization of the forum elimination games on the main Civ6 forum and the lively discussions we've had in the Ideas forum, I thought it would be fun to try something like this here.

I selected 20 of the biggest contenders that have never made it into a Civ game before. The object is to see which civ(s) can muster enough popular support to make the cut!

Standard Forum Elimination Game Rules:

1) Every 24 hours, you add 1 point to one civilization you want to see and subtract 3 points from a civ that you don't think would (or should) make the cut.
2) Each civ starts with 20 points. First civ eliminated takes last place, and so forth. Last surviving contender takes the Gold!
3) Give a reason each time you vote for why you chose as you did.
4) Don't comment in the thread unless your post contains your daily votes.
5) Don't get upset because Civ X wasn't included or because Civ Y was. It's just a game. A game about another game, no less. ;)
6) When voting for a selection labelled "Other," specify which civ you are voting for. You cannot vote for fictional civs.

Round 1 Ranking:
1 :trophy: Ashanti
2 :trophy2nd: Phoenicians
3 :trophy3rd: Tibetans
4 :trophy2: Burmese
5 :trophy2: Armenians
6 Swahili/Kilwa
7 :c5capital: Nubians - announced 7/25/17
8 Vietnamese
9 Zimbabweans
10 Hebrews
11 Cherokee
12 Hungarians
13 Mississippians
14 Goths
15 Italians
16 Mughals
17 Palmyrenes/Nabataeans
18 Toltecs/Zapotecs
19 Apache
20 Mexicans

Round 2 Ranking:
1 :trophy: Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria)
2 :trophy2nd: Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA
3 :trophy3rd: Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA
4 :trophy2: Georgians
5 :trophy2: Maori/Other Polynesians
6 Gauls/Britons
7 Irish/Scottish
8 Kushans/Bactrians
9 Bulgarians/Romanians/Other Balkans
10 Nepalese
11 Timurids/Other Central Asia
12 Berbers/Tuareg
13 Khazars
14 Argentines
15 Lydians/Pontus/Other Anatolians
16 Gran Colombia/Other Colonial SA
17 Etruscans
18 Cubans/Haitians/Other Caribbean
19 Minoans/Mycenaeans
20 Canadians

Round 3 Ranking:
1 :trophy: Bohemians/Czechs/Great Moravia
2 :trophy2nd: Sabaeans/Himyarites/Yemen
3 :trophy3rd: Ukrainians/Cossacks
4 :trophy2: Nazca/Moche/Muisca/Other Andean
5 :trophy2: Algonquian (Any)
6 Anasazi/Navajo/Other SW NA
7 Tamil/Chola/Sri Lankans
8 Olmecs/Mixe-Zoque/Other Mesoamerican
9 Swiss/Belgians/Other Western Europe
10 Malagasy/Imerina
11 Lithuanians/Finns/Other Baltic
12 Mitanni/Hurrians
13 Other Civ/Not Listed
14 Aborigines
15 Kanem-Bornu/Other Saharan
16 Inuit
17 Xiongnu/Yuezhi/Other Steppe
18 Anglo-Saxons
19 Philippines
20 Franks

Round 4 Ranking - "Losers" Bracket:
1 :trophy: Italians
2 :trophy2nd: Hungarians
3 :trophy3rd: Mughals
4 :trophy2: Goths
5 :trophy2: Argentines
6 Philippines
7 Lithuanians/Finns/Other Baltic
8 Kanem-Bornu/Other Saharan
9 Cherokee
10 Timurids/Other Central Asian
11 Mitanni/Hurrians
12 Berbers/Tuareg
13 Apache
14 Mississippians
15 Toltecs/Zapotecs
16 Mexicans
17 Inuit
18 Aborigines
19 Khazars
20 Gran Colombia/Other Colonial SA
21 Etruscans
22 Palmyrenes/Nabataeans
23 Lydians/Pontus/Other Anatolian
24 Franks
25 Anglo-Saxons
26 Xiongnu/Yuezhi/Other Steppe
27 Canadians
28 Cubans/Haitians/Other Caribbean
29 Minoans/Mycenaeans
30 Other Civ/Not Listed

Round 5 Ranking - "Winners" Bracket:
:c5capital: Nubians - announced 7/25/17
1 :trophy: Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA
2 :trophy2nd: Maori/Other Polynesians
3 :trophy3rd: Georgians
4 :trophy2: Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria)
5 :trophy2: Hebrews
6 Swahili/Kilwa
7 Vietnamese
8 Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA
9 Armenians
10 Ashanti
11 Tibetans
12 Burmese
13 Phoenicians
14 Bohemians/Czechs/Great Moravia
15 Zimbabweans
16 Tamil/Chola/Sri Lankans
17 Algonquian (Any)
18 Olmecs/Mixe-Zoque/Other Mesoamerican
19 Sabaeans/Himyarites/Yemen
20 Gauls/Britons
21 Nepalese
22 Nazca/Moche/Muisca/Other Andean
23 Ukrainians/Cossacks
24 Irish/Scottish
25 Bulgarians/Romanians/Other Balkans
26 Anasazi/Navajo/Other SW NA
27 Malagasy/Imerina
28 Kushans/Bactrians
29 Swiss/Belgians/Other Western Europe

Round 6 Ranking - "Championship" Bracket:
1 Incas
2 Mayans
3 Khmer
4 Maori/Other Polynesians
5 Ethiopians
6 Babylonians
7 Ashanti
8 Mongols
9 Ottoman Turks
10 Koreans
11 Malians
12 Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA
13 Georgians
14 Tibetans
15 Hittites
16 Hebrews
17 Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria)
18 Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA
19 Carthaginians
20 Iroquois
21 Italians
22 Siamese
23 Vietnamese
24 Armenians
25 Portuguese
26 Dutch
27 Hungarians
28 Burmese
29 Swahili/Kilwa
30 Mughals
 
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Apache 20
Armenians/Georgians 20
Ashanti 20
Burmese 20
Cherokee 20
Goths 20
Italians 20+1=21 They've been a long time coming and are a mainstay of the Renaissance.
Hebrews 20
Hungarians 20
Mexicans 20-3=17 I wouldn't hate it if they were included but I'm not terribly enthused about modern nations.
Mississippians 20
Mughals 20
Nubians 20
Palmyrenes/Nabateans 20
Phoenicians 20
Swahili/Kilwa 20
Tibetans 20
Toltecs/Zapotecs 20
Vietnamese 20
Zimbabweans 20
 
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Apache 20-3=17 I rather have several other Native American peoples than the Apache, who are mainly known for raiding the Puebloans
Armenians 20
Ashanti 20+1=21 Cause the West African coast needs representation
Burmese 20
Cherokee 20
Goths 20
Italians 21
Hebrews 20
Hungarians 20
Mexicans 17 .
Mississippians 20
Mughals 20
Nubians 20
Palmyrenes/Nabateans 20
Phoenicians 20
Swahili/Kilwa 20
Tibetans 20
Toltecs/Zapotecs 20
Vietnamese 20
Zimbabweans 20
 
Apache 17
Armenians 20
Ashanti 21
Burmese 20
Cherokee 20
Goths 20
Italians 21
Hebrews 20
Hungarians 20
Mexicans 17 .
Mississippians 20
Mughals 20
Nubians 20
Palmyrenes/Nabateans 20
Phoenicians 20
Swahili/Kilwa 20
Tibetans 20
Toltecs/Zapotecs 20
Vietnamese 20 - 3 = 17 I swear, people only really want Vietnam because of the Vietnam war (See everyone suggesting Vietcong as a UU): and besides, Burma is much more representative of Southeast Asia.
Zimbabweans 20 + 1 = 21 Some nice African representation with monumental architecture.
 
How was this list selected? I dislike the Nabateans as a civ idea but love the Palmyrans as a civ idea....

Anyway:

Apache 17
Armenians 20
Ashanti 21
Burmese 20
Cherokee 20
Goths 20
Italians 21
Hebrews 20 + 3 = 23 It's about bloody time that we get them in the game. Obviously they would be geared for religious victory (like the Indians and the Arabians, which is fitting, as they were all birthplaces of major religions as well)
Hungarians 20
Mexicans 17 .
Mississippians 20
Mughals 20
Nubians 20
Palmyrenes/Nabateans 20
Phoenicians 20
Swahili/Kilwa 20
Tibetans 20
Toltecs/Zapotecs 20 -3 = 17 (What leaders would you pick? The ones that are known have very little information about them. No big agendas would be possible to create that actually tied to the leaders, unless they used mythological figures (not legendary, MYTHOLOGICAL, so less realistic than Dido and Gilgamesh even))
Vietnamese 17
Zimbabweans 21
 
How was this list selected? I dislike the Nabateans as a civ idea but love the Palmyrans as a civ idea....

Anyway:

Apache 17
Armenians 20
Ashanti 21
Burmese 20
Cherokee 20
Goths 20
Italians 21
Hebrews 20 + 3 = 23 It's about bloody time that we get them in the game. Obviously they would be geared for religious victory (like the Indians and the Arabians, which is fitting, as they were all birthplaces of major religions as well)
Hungarians 20
Mexicans 17 .
Mississippians 20
Mughals 20
Nubians 20
Palmyrenes/Nabateans 20
Phoenicians 20
Swahili/Kilwa 20
Tibetans 20
Toltecs/Zapotecs 20 -3 = 17 (What leaders would you pick? The ones that are known have very little information about them. No big agendas would be possible to create that actually tied to the leaders, unless they used mythological figures (not legendary, MYTHOLOGICAL, so less realistic than Dido and Gilgamesh even))
Vietnamese 17
Zimbabweans 21

Hebrews is supposed to be 21, not 23, Morningcalm. You only add 1 point to the civ you like.
 
Apache 17
Armenians 20
Ashanti 21
Burmese 20 + 1 = 21 Burmese spread buddhism in SE Asia, and were one of its major powers : the site of Pagan can only be compared to Angkor, the Taungoo empire was the largest empire se Asia knew, Bauyiniang is one of the best leaders the game could, or Anawratha who could be a relic madmen, ... well, totally rooting for them !
Cherokee 20
Goths 20 - 3 = 17 : I feel like Europe is a little bit overcrowded as it is, and other parts of the world are still too much missing. Besides, among european civs, goths are a bit too much «meh» for me.
Italians 21
Hebrews 21
Hungarians 20
Mexicans 17 .
Mississippians 20
Mughals 20
Nubians 20
Palmyrenes/Nabateans 20
Phoenicians 20
Swahili/Kilwa 20
Tibetans 20
Toltecs/Zapotecs 17
Vietnamese 17
Zimbabweans 21
 
Apache 17
Armenians 21 - Very deserving of inclusion but always miss out regionally.
Ashanti 21
Burmese 21
Cherokee 20
Goths 17
Italians 18 - Would be better represented as several city-states.
Hebrews 21
Hungarians 20
Mexicans 17 .
Mississippians 20
Mughals 20
Nubians 20
Palmyrenes/Nabateans 20
Phoenicians 20
Swahili/Kilwa 20
Tibetans 20
Toltecs/Zapotecs 17
Vietnamese 17
Zimbabweans 21
 
Apache 17
Armenians 21
Ashanti 21
Burmese 21
Cherokee 20
Goths 17
Italians 18
Hebrews 21
Hungarians 20
Mexicans 17
Mississippians 20
Mughals 20
Nubians 20
Palmyrenes/Nabateans 17 (Of those two, one was a break away which existed for three years before being conquered back, and the latter...eh, I don't know, I don't think that's the best use of a civ slot. Better than the Palmyrenes though.)
Phoenicians 21 (I would prefer them to Carthage for some reason I'm not entirely sure of)
Swahili/Kilwa 20
Tibetans 20
Toltecs/Zapotecs 17
Vietnamese 17
Zimbabweans 21
 
Apache 17
Armenians 21
Ashanti 22 - more West African love, and African love in general!
Burmese 21
Cherokee 20
Goths 17
Italians 15 - city-states, or a city-state civ (like Civ V Venice), or take any specific state and run with it (Papal States, Venetian Empire...) I think almost any other implementation would be better than an Italian blob civ, especially with Europe as crowded as it is already.
Hebrews 21
Hungarians 20
Mexicans 17
Mississippians 20
Mughals 20
Nubians 20
Palmyrenes/Nabateans 17
Phoenicians 21
Swahili/Kilwa 20
Tibetans 20
Toltecs/Zapotecs 17
Vietnamese 17
Zimbabweans 21
 
Apache 17
Armenians 22 - Representation of the Caucasus is way overdue. While I'd love to see Tamar of Georgia in the game, I have to grant that as a civilization Armenia is more deserving.
Ashanti 22
Burmese 21
Cherokee 20
Goths 17
Italians 15
Hebrews 21
Hungarians 20
Mexicans 14 - For the love of all that is holy, no more modern civilizations! :mad: If we must have modern nations, I'd see Mexico still being quite low on the priority list.
Mississippians 20
Mughals 20
Nubians 20
Palmyrenes/Nabateans 17
Phoenicians 21
Swahili/Kilwa 20
Tibetans 20
Toltecs/Zapotecs 17
Vietnamese 17
Zimbabweans 21
 
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FYI, it's just +1 to the civ you want to boost, so Armenia should just have 22 at this point.
 
Apache 17
Armenians 22
Ashanti 22
Burmese 21
Cherokee 20
Goths 17
Italians 15
Hebrews 21
Hungarians 20 + 1 = 21 I always wanted to see them in the game, I think we should see them this time.
Mexicans 14
Mississippians 20
Mughals 20
Nubians 20
Palmyrenes/Nabateans 17
Phoenicians 21
Swahili/Kilwa 20
Tibetans 20
Toltecs/Zapotecs 17 - 3 = 14 Little information about them is a problem.
Vietnamese 17
Zimbabweans 21
 
Apache 17-3=14 The other Native Americans on this list deserve to be in instead of them
Armenians 22
Ashanti 22
Burmese 21
Cherokee 20
Goths 17
Italians 15
Hebrews 21
Hungarians 21
Mexicans 14
Mississippians 20
Mughals 20
Nubians 20+1=21 Not just a second rate Egypt. They definitely deserve a spot and help to fill up empty Africa.
Palmyrenes/Nabateans 17
Phoenicians 21
Swahili/Kilwa 20
Tibetans 20
Toltecs/Zapotecs 14
Vietnamese 17
Zimbabweans 21
 
Apache 17
Armenians 22
Ashanti 22
Burmese 21
Cherokee 20
Goths 17
Italians 12 (15-3) - The Venetians or Sicilians maybe, but I wouldn't want to see a unified Italian Civ- too recent, and we already have Romans (the inhabitants of Italy were the first Romans, had preferred status in the empire and in modern times Italians continue to be the best, and most direct link to the Romans)
Hebrews 21
Hungarians 21
Mexicans 14
Mississippians 20
Mughals 20
Nubians 20
Palmyrenes/Nabateans 17
Phoenicians 21
Swahili/Kilwa 20
Tibetans 21 (20 + 1) - Representation of an important historical civilisation which we are close to losing
Toltecs/Zapotecs 14
Vietnamese 17
Zimbabweans 21
 
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Apache 17
Armenians 22
Ashanti 22
Burmese 21
Cherokee 20
Goths 17
Italians 9 (12-3) No to an Italian blob civ... too many civs already in this area
Hebrews 21
Hungarians 21
Mexicans 14
Mississippians 20
Mughals 20
Nubians 20
Palmyrenes/Nabateans 17
Phoenicians 21
Swahili/Kilwa 20
Tibetans 21 (20 + 1) - Representation of an important historical civilisation which we are close to losing
Toltecs/Zapotecs 14
Vietnamese 18 (17+1) Been wanting them for a while (see avatar) and no, has nothing to do with the war
Zimbabweans 21
 
Apache 14 (17-3) Just a placeholder for the Southwest tribes, really. Would much rather have the Pueblo but they objected to the use of their language and the depiction of their leaders. I'm sure they'd find the depiction of the Anasazi offensive too. :(
Armenians 22
Ashanti 22
Burmese 21
Cherokee 20
Goths 17
Italians 10 (9+1) We've had both Greeks and Byzantines, so Rome's inclusion is no reason not to feature a Renaissance Italy. Use the multi-leader feature to emphasize the city-states as was done with Greece this time. So many great artists, musicians, writers and merchants from this civ. We should be able to play them.
Hebrews 21
Hungarians 21
Mexicans 14
Mississippians 20
Mughals 20
Nubians 20
Palmyrenes/Nabateans 17
Phoenicians 21
Swahili/Kilwa 20
Tibetans 21
Toltecs/Zapotecs 14
Vietnamese 18
Zimbabweans 21
 
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Ok, meanwile I now a Civ in the game must not be a civilization in the real world,

but I just can not understand the list.

Where are the Minoans (they were not Greeks! over 1300 years high culture),
Lydians (the inventors of the mint money),
Akkadians (Sargon builds the first world empire),
...
Also Mexico is in the game -> the Aztecs call them self Mexicans.

What are this unknown clans in this list:mad:

Apache 14
Armenians 22
Ashanti 22
Burmese 21
Cherokee 20
Goths 17
Italians 10
Hebrews 21
Hungarians 21
Mexicans 14
Mississippians 20
Mughals 17 (20 - 3 second leader for India please)
Nubians 20
Palmyrenes/Nabateans 17
Phoenicians 21
Swahili/Kilwa 20
Tibetans 21
Toltecs/Zapotecs 14
Vietnamese 19 (18+1 their time this time)
Zimbabweans 21
 
Ok, meanwile I now a Civ in the game must not be a civilization in the real world,

but I just can not understand the list.

Where are the Minoans (they were not Greeks! over 1300 years high culture),
Lydians (the inventors of the mint money),
Akkadians (Sargon builds the first world empire),
...
Also Mexico is in the game -> the Aztecs call them self Mexicans.

What are this unknown clans in this list:mad:

Well, some of the civs in the list (like Ashanti) are recently requested ones with some popularity, others, like Hebrews and Phoenicians, are perennial favorites for new civs.

I think people are tired of Greece by this point--we have 3 Hellenistic leaders and many unrepresented areas of the world with no leaders in the game currently. So that I think safely cuts Minoans out as a favorite. (If they were in this list I would downvote them until they were eliminated--that I promise you).

Akkadians are a good suggestion but if we get Sumeria, Babylon, and Assyria all in the game, we will have the language at least fairly well covered.
 
Standard Forum Elimination Game Rules:

1) Every 24 hours, you add 1 point to one civilization you want to see and subtract 3 points from a civ that you don't think would (or should) make the cut.
2) Each civ starts with 20 points. First civ eliminated takes last place, and so forth. Last surviving contender takes the Gold!
3) Give a reason each time you vote for why you chose as you did.
4) Don't comment in the thread unless your post contains your daily votes.
5) Don't get upset because Civ X wasn't included or because Civ Y was. It's just a game. A game about another game, no less. ;)
 
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