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Never Before Seen Civs - Elimination Game

Discussion in 'Civ - Ideas & Suggestions' started by The Kingmaker, Apr 13, 2017.

  1. The Kingmaker

    The Kingmaker Alexander

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    Given the revitalization of the forum elimination games on the main Civ6 forum and the lively discussions we've had in the Ideas forum, I thought it would be fun to try something like this here.

    I selected 20 of the biggest contenders that have never made it into a Civ game before. The object is to see which civ(s) can muster enough popular support to make the cut!

    Standard Forum Elimination Game Rules:

    1) Every 24 hours, you add 1 point to one civilization you want to see and subtract 3 points from a civ that you don't think would (or should) make the cut.
    2) Each civ starts with 20 points. First civ eliminated takes last place, and so forth. Last surviving contender takes the Gold!
    3) Give a reason each time you vote for why you chose as you did.
    4) Don't comment in the thread unless your post contains your daily votes.
    5) Don't get upset because Civ X wasn't included or because Civ Y was. It's just a game. A game about another game, no less. ;)
    6) When voting for a selection labelled "Other," specify which civ you are voting for. You cannot vote for fictional civs.

    Round 1 Ranking:
    1 :trophy: Ashanti
    2 :trophy2nd: Phoenicians
    3 :trophy3rd: Tibetans
    4 :trophy2: Burmese
    5 :trophy2: Armenians
    6 Swahili/Kilwa
    7 :c5capital: Nubians - announced 7/25/17
    8 Vietnamese
    9 Zimbabweans
    10 Hebrews
    11 Cherokee
    12 Hungarians
    13 Mississippians
    14 Goths
    15 Italians
    16 Mughals
    17 Palmyrenes/Nabataeans
    18 Toltecs/Zapotecs
    19 Apache
    20 Mexicans

    Round 2 Ranking:
    1 :trophy: Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria)
    2 :trophy2nd: Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA
    3 :trophy3rd: Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA
    4 :trophy2: Georgians
    5 :trophy2: Maori/Other Polynesians
    6 Gauls/Britons
    7 Irish/Scottish
    8 Kushans/Bactrians
    9 Bulgarians/Romanians/Other Balkans
    10 Nepalese
    11 Timurids/Other Central Asia
    12 Berbers/Tuareg
    13 Khazars
    14 Argentines
    15 Lydians/Pontus/Other Anatolians
    16 Gran Colombia/Other Colonial SA
    17 Etruscans
    18 Cubans/Haitians/Other Caribbean
    19 Minoans/Mycenaeans
    20 Canadians

    Round 3 Ranking:
    1 :trophy: Bohemians/Czechs/Great Moravia
    2 :trophy2nd: Sabaeans/Himyarites/Yemen
    3 :trophy3rd: Ukrainians/Cossacks
    4 :trophy2: Nazca/Moche/Muisca/Other Andean
    5 :trophy2: Algonquian (Any)
    6 Anasazi/Navajo/Other SW NA
    7 Tamil/Chola/Sri Lankans
    8 Olmecs/Mixe-Zoque/Other Mesoamerican
    9 Swiss/Belgians/Other Western Europe
    10 Malagasy/Imerina
    11 Lithuanians/Finns/Other Baltic
    12 Mitanni/Hurrians
    13 Other Civ/Not Listed
    14 Aborigines
    15 Kanem-Bornu/Other Saharan
    16 Inuit
    17 Xiongnu/Yuezhi/Other Steppe
    18 Anglo-Saxons
    19 Philippines
    20 Franks

    Round 4 Ranking - "Losers" Bracket:
    1 :trophy: Italians
    2 :trophy2nd: Hungarians
    3 :trophy3rd: Mughals
    4 :trophy2: Goths
    5 :trophy2: Argentines
    6 Philippines
    7 Lithuanians/Finns/Other Baltic
    8 Kanem-Bornu/Other Saharan
    9 Cherokee
    10 Timurids/Other Central Asian
    11 Mitanni/Hurrians
    12 Berbers/Tuareg
    13 Apache
    14 Mississippians
    15 Toltecs/Zapotecs
    16 Mexicans
    17 Inuit
    18 Aborigines
    19 Khazars
    20 Gran Colombia/Other Colonial SA
    21 Etruscans
    22 Palmyrenes/Nabataeans
    23 Lydians/Pontus/Other Anatolian
    24 Franks
    25 Anglo-Saxons
    26 Xiongnu/Yuezhi/Other Steppe
    27 Canadians
    28 Cubans/Haitians/Other Caribbean
    29 Minoans/Mycenaeans
    30 Other Civ/Not Listed

    Round 5 Ranking - "Winners" Bracket:
    :c5capital: Nubians - announced 7/25/17
    1 :trophy: Creek/Muskogee/Other SE NA
    2 :trophy2nd: Maori/Other Polynesians
    3 :trophy3rd: Georgians
    4 :trophy2: Benin (Dahomey)/Benin (Nigeria)
    5 :trophy2: Hebrews
    6 Swahili/Kilwa
    7 Vietnamese
    8 Haida/Tlingit/Other PNW NA
    9 Armenians
    10 Ashanti
    11 Tibetans
    12 Burmese
    13 Phoenicians
    14 Bohemians/Czechs/Great Moravia
    15 Zimbabweans
    16 Tamil/Chola/Sri Lankans
    17 Algonquian (Any)
    18 Olmecs/Mixe-Zoque/Other Mesoamerican
    19 Sabaeans/Himyarites/Yemen
    20 Gauls/Britons
    21 Nepalese
    22 Nazca/Moche/Muisca/Other Andean
    23 Ukrainians/Cossacks
    24 Irish/Scottish
    25 Bulgarians/Romanians/Other Balkans
    26 Anasazi/Navajo/Other SW NA
    27 Malagasy/Imerina
    28 Kushans/Bactrians
    29 Swiss/Belgians/Other Western Europe

    Round 6 Ranking - "Championship" Bracket:
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  2. The Kingmaker

    The Kingmaker Alexander

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    Apache 20
    Armenians/Georgians 20
    Ashanti 20
    Burmese 20
    Cherokee 20
    Goths 20
    Italians 20+1=21 They've been a long time coming and are a mainstay of the Renaissance.
    Hebrews 20
    Hungarians 20
    Mexicans 20-3=17 I wouldn't hate it if they were included but I'm not terribly enthused about modern nations.
    Mississippians 20
    Mughals 20
    Nubians 20
    Palmyrenes/Nabateans 20
    Phoenicians 20
    Swahili/Kilwa 20
    Tibetans 20
    Toltecs/Zapotecs 20
    Vietnamese 20
    Zimbabweans 20
     
    Last edited: Apr 17, 2017
  3. Guandao

    Guandao Rajah of Minyue and Langkasuka

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    Apache 20-3=17 I rather have several other Native American peoples than the Apache, who are mainly known for raiding the Puebloans
    Armenians 20
    Ashanti 20+1=21 Cause the West African coast needs representation
    Burmese 20
    Cherokee 20
    Goths 20
    Italians 21
    Hebrews 20
    Hungarians 20
    Mexicans 17 .
    Mississippians 20
    Mughals 20
    Nubians 20
    Palmyrenes/Nabateans 20
    Phoenicians 20
    Swahili/Kilwa 20
    Tibetans 20
    Toltecs/Zapotecs 20
    Vietnamese 20
    Zimbabweans 20
     
  4. sukritact

    sukritact Artist and Modder

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    Apache 17
    Armenians 20
    Ashanti 21
    Burmese 20
    Cherokee 20
    Goths 20
    Italians 21
    Hebrews 20
    Hungarians 20
    Mexicans 17 .
    Mississippians 20
    Mughals 20
    Nubians 20
    Palmyrenes/Nabateans 20
    Phoenicians 20
    Swahili/Kilwa 20
    Tibetans 20
    Toltecs/Zapotecs 20
    Vietnamese 20 - 3 = 17 I swear, people only really want Vietnam because of the Vietnam war (See everyone suggesting Vietcong as a UU): and besides, Burma is much more representative of Southeast Asia.
    Zimbabweans 20 + 1 = 21 Some nice African representation with monumental architecture.
     
  5. Morningcalm

    Morningcalm Chieftain

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    How was this list selected? I dislike the Nabateans as a civ idea but love the Palmyrans as a civ idea....

    Anyway:

    Apache 17
    Armenians 20
    Ashanti 21
    Burmese 20
    Cherokee 20
    Goths 20
    Italians 21
    Hebrews 20 + 3 = 23 It's about bloody time that we get them in the game. Obviously they would be geared for religious victory (like the Indians and the Arabians, which is fitting, as they were all birthplaces of major religions as well)
    Hungarians 20
    Mexicans 17 .
    Mississippians 20
    Mughals 20
    Nubians 20
    Palmyrenes/Nabateans 20
    Phoenicians 20
    Swahili/Kilwa 20
    Tibetans 20
    Toltecs/Zapotecs 20 -3 = 17 (What leaders would you pick? The ones that are known have very little information about them. No big agendas would be possible to create that actually tied to the leaders, unless they used mythological figures (not legendary, MYTHOLOGICAL, so less realistic than Dido and Gilgamesh even))
    Vietnamese 17
    Zimbabweans 21
     
  6. Guandao

    Guandao Rajah of Minyue and Langkasuka

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    Hebrews is supposed to be 21, not 23, Morningcalm. You only add 1 point to the civ you like.
     
  7. Liufeng

    Liufeng A man of his time

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    Apache 17
    Armenians 20
    Ashanti 21
    Burmese 20 + 1 = 21 Burmese spread buddhism in SE Asia, and were one of its major powers : the site of Pagan can only be compared to Angkor, the Taungoo empire was the largest empire se Asia knew, Bauyiniang is one of the best leaders the game could, or Anawratha who could be a relic madmen, ... well, totally rooting for them !
    Cherokee 20
    Goths 20 - 3 = 17 : I feel like Europe is a little bit overcrowded as it is, and other parts of the world are still too much missing. Besides, among european civs, goths are a bit too much «meh» for me.
    Italians 21
    Hebrews 21
    Hungarians 20
    Mexicans 17 .
    Mississippians 20
    Mughals 20
    Nubians 20
    Palmyrenes/Nabateans 20
    Phoenicians 20
    Swahili/Kilwa 20
    Tibetans 20
    Toltecs/Zapotecs 17
    Vietnamese 17
    Zimbabweans 21
     
  8. DudewiththeFood

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    Apache 17
    Armenians 21 - Very deserving of inclusion but always miss out regionally.
    Ashanti 21
    Burmese 21
    Cherokee 20
    Goths 17
    Italians 18 - Would be better represented as several city-states.
    Hebrews 21
    Hungarians 20
    Mexicans 17 .
    Mississippians 20
    Mughals 20
    Nubians 20
    Palmyrenes/Nabateans 20
    Phoenicians 20
    Swahili/Kilwa 20
    Tibetans 20
    Toltecs/Zapotecs 17
    Vietnamese 17
    Zimbabweans 21
     
  9. AnonymousSpeed

    AnonymousSpeed Pink Plastic Army Man

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    Apache 17
    Armenians 21
    Ashanti 21
    Burmese 21
    Cherokee 20
    Goths 17
    Italians 18
    Hebrews 21
    Hungarians 20
    Mexicans 17
    Mississippians 20
    Mughals 20
    Nubians 20
    Palmyrenes/Nabateans 17 (Of those two, one was a break away which existed for three years before being conquered back, and the latter...eh, I don't know, I don't think that's the best use of a civ slot. Better than the Palmyrenes though.)
    Phoenicians 21 (I would prefer them to Carthage for some reason I'm not entirely sure of)
    Swahili/Kilwa 20
    Tibetans 20
    Toltecs/Zapotecs 17
    Vietnamese 17
    Zimbabweans 21
     
  10. Uberfrog

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    Apache 17
    Armenians 21
    Ashanti 22 - more West African love, and African love in general!
    Burmese 21
    Cherokee 20
    Goths 17
    Italians 15 - city-states, or a city-state civ (like Civ V Venice), or take any specific state and run with it (Papal States, Venetian Empire...) I think almost any other implementation would be better than an Italian blob civ, especially with Europe as crowded as it is already.
    Hebrews 21
    Hungarians 20
    Mexicans 17
    Mississippians 20
    Mughals 20
    Nubians 20
    Palmyrenes/Nabateans 17
    Phoenicians 21
    Swahili/Kilwa 20
    Tibetans 20
    Toltecs/Zapotecs 17
    Vietnamese 17
    Zimbabweans 21
     
  11. Zaarin

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    Apache 17
    Armenians 22 - Representation of the Caucasus is way overdue. While I'd love to see Tamar of Georgia in the game, I have to grant that as a civilization Armenia is more deserving.
    Ashanti 22
    Burmese 21
    Cherokee 20
    Goths 17
    Italians 15
    Hebrews 21
    Hungarians 20
    Mexicans 14 - For the love of all that is holy, no more modern civilizations! :mad: If we must have modern nations, I'd see Mexico still being quite low on the priority list.
    Mississippians 20
    Mughals 20
    Nubians 20
    Palmyrenes/Nabateans 17
    Phoenicians 21
    Swahili/Kilwa 20
    Tibetans 20
    Toltecs/Zapotecs 17
    Vietnamese 17
    Zimbabweans 21
     
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  12. The Kingmaker

    The Kingmaker Alexander

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    FYI, it's just +1 to the civ you want to boost, so Armenia should just have 22 at this point.
     
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    Apache 17
    Armenians 22
    Ashanti 22
    Burmese 21
    Cherokee 20
    Goths 17
    Italians 15
    Hebrews 21
    Hungarians 20 + 1 = 21 I always wanted to see them in the game, I think we should see them this time.
    Mexicans 14
    Mississippians 20
    Mughals 20
    Nubians 20
    Palmyrenes/Nabateans 17
    Phoenicians 21
    Swahili/Kilwa 20
    Tibetans 20
    Toltecs/Zapotecs 17 - 3 = 14 Little information about them is a problem.
    Vietnamese 17
    Zimbabweans 21
     
  14. Guandao

    Guandao Rajah of Minyue and Langkasuka

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    Apache 17-3=14 The other Native Americans on this list deserve to be in instead of them
    Armenians 22
    Ashanti 22
    Burmese 21
    Cherokee 20
    Goths 17
    Italians 15
    Hebrews 21
    Hungarians 21
    Mexicans 14
    Mississippians 20
    Mughals 20
    Nubians 20+1=21 Not just a second rate Egypt. They definitely deserve a spot and help to fill up empty Africa.
    Palmyrenes/Nabateans 17
    Phoenicians 21
    Swahili/Kilwa 20
    Tibetans 20
    Toltecs/Zapotecs 14
    Vietnamese 17
    Zimbabweans 21
     
  15. SMcM

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    Apache 17
    Armenians 22
    Ashanti 22
    Burmese 21
    Cherokee 20
    Goths 17
    Italians 12 (15-3) - The Venetians or Sicilians maybe, but I wouldn't want to see a unified Italian Civ- too recent, and we already have Romans (the inhabitants of Italy were the first Romans, had preferred status in the empire and in modern times Italians continue to be the best, and most direct link to the Romans)
    Hebrews 21
    Hungarians 21
    Mexicans 14
    Mississippians 20
    Mughals 20
    Nubians 20
    Palmyrenes/Nabateans 17
    Phoenicians 21
    Swahili/Kilwa 20
    Tibetans 21 (20 + 1) - Representation of an important historical civilisation which we are close to losing
    Toltecs/Zapotecs 14
    Vietnamese 17
    Zimbabweans 21
     
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    Apache 17
    Armenians 22
    Ashanti 22
    Burmese 21
    Cherokee 20
    Goths 17
    Italians 9 (12-3) No to an Italian blob civ... too many civs already in this area
    Hebrews 21
    Hungarians 21
    Mexicans 14
    Mississippians 20
    Mughals 20
    Nubians 20
    Palmyrenes/Nabateans 17
    Phoenicians 21
    Swahili/Kilwa 20
    Tibetans 21 (20 + 1) - Representation of an important historical civilisation which we are close to losing
    Toltecs/Zapotecs 14
    Vietnamese 18 (17+1) Been wanting them for a while (see avatar) and no, has nothing to do with the war
    Zimbabweans 21
     
  17. The Kingmaker

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    Apache 14 (17-3) Just a placeholder for the Southwest tribes, really. Would much rather have the Pueblo but they objected to the use of their language and the depiction of their leaders. I'm sure they'd find the depiction of the Anasazi offensive too. :(
    Armenians 22
    Ashanti 22
    Burmese 21
    Cherokee 20
    Goths 17
    Italians 10 (9+1) We've had both Greeks and Byzantines, so Rome's inclusion is no reason not to feature a Renaissance Italy. Use the multi-leader feature to emphasize the city-states as was done with Greece this time. So many great artists, musicians, writers and merchants from this civ. We should be able to play them.
    Hebrews 21
    Hungarians 21
    Mexicans 14
    Mississippians 20
    Mughals 20
    Nubians 20
    Palmyrenes/Nabateans 17
    Phoenicians 21
    Swahili/Kilwa 20
    Tibetans 21
    Toltecs/Zapotecs 14
    Vietnamese 18
    Zimbabweans 21
     
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  18. Manifold

    Manifold ModderProtectionAdvocate

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    Ok, meanwile I now a Civ in the game must not be a civilization in the real world,

    but I just can not understand the list.

    Where are the Minoans (they were not Greeks! over 1300 years high culture),
    Lydians (the inventors of the mint money),
    Akkadians (Sargon builds the first world empire),
    ...
    Also Mexico is in the game -> the Aztecs call them self Mexicans.

    What are this unknown clans in this list:mad:

    Apache 14
    Armenians 22
    Ashanti 22
    Burmese 21
    Cherokee 20
    Goths 17
    Italians 10
    Hebrews 21
    Hungarians 21
    Mexicans 14
    Mississippians 20
    Mughals 17 (20 - 3 second leader for India please)
    Nubians 20
    Palmyrenes/Nabateans 17
    Phoenicians 21
    Swahili/Kilwa 20
    Tibetans 21
    Toltecs/Zapotecs 14
    Vietnamese 19 (18+1 their time this time)
    Zimbabweans 21
     
  19. Morningcalm

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    Well, some of the civs in the list (like Ashanti) are recently requested ones with some popularity, others, like Hebrews and Phoenicians, are perennial favorites for new civs.

    I think people are tired of Greece by this point--we have 3 Hellenistic leaders and many unrepresented areas of the world with no leaders in the game currently. So that I think safely cuts Minoans out as a favorite. (If they were in this list I would downvote them until they were eliminated--that I promise you).

    Akkadians are a good suggestion but if we get Sumeria, Babylon, and Assyria all in the game, we will have the language at least fairly well covered.
     
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