Never Before Seen Leader Elimination

[Kimiimaro]

Ahuitzotl (Aztecs) 20
Alfonso X (Spain) 21
Arminius (Germany) 22
Ateas (Scythia) 5-3=2 - Nope, I'd rather take Genghis and Mongolia. Scythia shouldn't get a second leader. Also, he lost his empire to Philip II of Macedon.
Chandragupta Maurya (India) 24+1=25 - India must have a second leader, and he would make a really good choice.
Constantine (Rome) 22
Djoser (Egypt) 21
Emir Faisal (Arabia) 20
John Adams (America) 21
Nkumbi a Mpudi/Diogo I (Kongo) 20
Ōkubo Toshimichi (Japan) 17
Otto the Great (Germany) 21
Piye (Nubia) 17
Puabi (Sumeria) 14
Robert Jenkinson (England) 21
Senusret III (Egypt) 26
Shivaji (India) 22
William the Conqueror (England) 22

 

[Guandao]

Ahuitzotl (Aztecs) 20
Alfonso X (Spain) 21
Arminius (Germany) 22
Ateas (Scythia) 2-3=0 Eliminated! Scythia is fine with Tomyris as their only leader.
Chandragupta Maurya (India) 25
Constantine (Rome) 22
Djoser (Egypt) 21
Emir Faisal (Arabia) 20
John Adams (America) 21
Nkumbi a Mpudi/Diogo I (Kongo) 20
Ōkubo Toshimichi (Japan) 17
Otto the Great (Germany) 21
Piye (Nubia) 17
Puabi (Sumeria) 14
Robert Jenkinson (England) 21
Senusret III (Egypt) 26
Shivaji (India) (22+1)=23 He's a good choice for an alt Indian leader.
William the Conqueror (England) 22

I gotta downvote some other leaders now, especially Emir Faisal, Nkumbi a Mpudi/Diogo I, Okubo Toshimichi and Puabi...

 

[Morningcalm]

Ahuitzotl (Aztecs) 20
Alfonso X (Spain) 21
Arminius (Germany) 22
Chandragupta Maurya (India) 25
Constantine (Rome) 22
Djoser (Egypt) 21
Emir Faisal (Arabia) 20
John Adams (America) 21
Nkumbi a Mpudi/Diogo I (Kongo) 20
Ōkubo Toshimichi (Japan) 17
Otto the Great (Germany) 21
Piye (Nubia) 17
Puabi (Sumeria) 14 - 3 = 11 (Almost nothing is known about her. Bad choice.)
Robert Jenkinson (England) 21
Senusret III (Egypt) 26 + 1 = 27 (Among the leaders in this list, this one stands out as among the most competent, and he would have a clear agenda for military and economic bonuses that would make for an excellent second Egyptian leader.)
Shivaji (India) 23
William the Conqueror (England) 22

 

[Kimiimaro]

Ahuitzotl (Aztecs) 20
Alfonso X (Spain) 21
Arminius (Germany) 22
Chandragupta Maurya (India) 25
Constantine (Rome) 22
Djoser (Egypt) 21
Emir Faisal (Arabia) 20
John Adams (America) 21
Nkumbi a Mpudi/Diogo I (Kongo) 20
Ōkubo Toshimichi (Japan) 17-3=14 - Being a home lord and then a finance minister, he was never a full leader of Japan. If we need to present Meiji Restoration, which is already Japanese in-game bonus, more, I prefer Meiji himself.
Otto the Great (Germany) 21
Piye (Nubia) 17
Puabi (Sumeria) 11
Robert Jenkinson (England) 21
Senusret III (Egypt) 27
Shivaji (India) 23+1=24 - Well, why not? Maybe he was cruel, but he was a brilliant strategist and a he was quite good leader. A more war-focused India can't hurt.
William the Conqueror (England) 22

 

[Guandao]

Ahuitzotl (Aztecs) 20
Alfonso X (Spain) 21
Arminius (Germany) 22
Chandragupta Maurya (India) 25
Constantine (Rome) 22
Djoser (Egypt) 21
Emir Faisal (Arabia) 20
John Adams (America) 21
Nkumbi a Mpudi/Diogo I (Kongo) (20-3)=17 Too similar to Mvemba a Nzinga in his Christian piety and wouldn't offer anything different than him.
Ōkubo Toshimichi (Japan) 14 His assassination was depicted in Rurouni Kenshin , and I think Meiji is definitely off-limits.
Otto the Great (Germany) 21
Piye (Nubia) 17
Puabi (Sumeria) 11
Robert Jenkinson (England) 21
Senusret III (Egypt) 27
Shivaji (India) 24
William the Conqueror (England) (22+1)=23 I wouldn't object if he was made alt leader for England. He's the reason why English has so many French loanwords. Why not upgrade him from a scenario leader (like in Civ5) to a full-fledged Civ leader in Civ6?

 

[Morningcalm]

Ahuitzotl (Aztecs) 20
Alfonso X (Spain) 21
Arminius (Germany) 22
Chandragupta Maurya (India) 25
Constantine (Rome) 22
Djoser (Egypt) 21
Emir Faisal (Arabia) 20
John Adams (America) 21
Nkumbi a Mpudi/Diogo I (Kongo) 17
Ōkubo Toshimichi (Japan) 14
Otto the Great (Germany) 21
Piye (Nubia) 17
Puabi (Sumeria) 11 - 3 = 8 (She wasn't even a ruler or leader as far as we know. Making leaders out of skeletons only works if those skeletons were well-attested enough to be considered iconic leaders in some way.)
Robert Jenkinson (England) 21
Senusret III (Egypt) 27
Shivaji (India) 24 + 1 = 25 (The raiding king, who sacked wealthy cities, resisted the British and Mughals alike, and became an icon of Indian nationalism in more modern times. Definitely not a perfect leader, as he was at times cruel, and was at times defeated. But no one can deny that he was cool--he wore a disguise (as a priest) and feigned illness to escape captivity, and launched a surprise attack by pretending to be part of a wedding procession.)
William the Conqueror (England) 23

 

[Phrozen]

Ahuitzotl (Aztecs) 20
Alfonso X (Spain) 21
Arminius (Germany) 22
Chandragupta Maurya (India) 25
Constantine (Rome) 22
Djoser (Egypt) 21
Emir Faisal (Arabia) 20
John Adams (America) 21
Nkumbi a Mpudi/Diogo I (Kongo) 17
Ōkubo Toshimichi (Japan) 14
Otto the Great (Germany) 21
Piye (Nubia) 17
Puabi (Sumeria) 8
Robert Jenkinson (England) 21 +1 = 22. Longest serving PM of the 1800s. Led Britain through the Napoleonic Wars and War of 1812.
Senusret III (Egypt) 27
Shivaji (India) 25
William the Conqueror (England) 23 -3 =20. Prefer an PM or Henry II.

 

[Siptah]

Ahuitzotl (Aztecs) 20
Alfonso X (Spain) 21
Arminius (Germany) 19 (22-3) I think for a country with many great choices, it is a strange one. His uprising was successful, in contrast to some others and he makes an interesting story. But having him lead the civ? No.
Chandragupta Maurya (India) 25
Constantine (Rome) 22
Djoser (Egypt) 22 (21+1) One of the most famous Pharaohs. He and his buddy Imhotep got deified and worshipped until roman times, which is quite rare. The Middle Kingdom also saw a lot of legend creating about the two, sadly no story of them is completely readable. But later Pharaohs creating statues of him and all that just shows how important he was to them. He is the Pharaoh under which Egypt was really nascent. There is of course the early and pre-dynastic times, but starting with Netjeri-Chet, it is Egypt emerging as we think of it.
Emir Faisal (Arabia) 20
John Adams (America) 21
Nkumbi a Mpudi/Diogo I (Kongo) 17
Ōkubo Toshimichi (Japan) 14
Otto the Great (Germany) 21
Piye (Nubia) 17
Puabi (Sumeria) 8
Robert Jenkinson (England) 22
Senusret III (Egypt) 27
Shivaji (India) 25
William the Conqueror (England) 20

 

[Kimiimaro]

Ahuitzotl (Aztecs) 20
Alfonso X (Spain) 21
Arminius (Germany) 19
Chandragupta Maurya (India) 25
Constantine (Rome) 22
Djoser (Egypt) 22
Emir Faisal (Arabia) 20
John Adams (America) 21
Nkumbi a Mpudi/Diogo I (Kongo) 17
Ōkubo Toshimichi (Japan) 14-3=11 - Some arguments against him. First, he was never a full leader of Japan. Second, Japan doesn't need another leader. Third, Meiji Restoration is already Japanese in-game bonus. Fourth, I prefer Emperor Meiji to represent Japan from that era.
Otto the Great (Germany) 21
Piye (Nubia) 17
Puabi (Sumeria) 8
Robert Jenkinson (England) 22
Senusret III (Egypt) 27
Shivaji (India) 25
William the Conqueror (England) 20+1=21 - He would make an interesting choice for a new English leader.

 

[Guandao]

Ahuitzotl (Aztecs) 20
Alfonso X (Spain) 21
Arminius (Germany) 19
Chandragupta Maurya (India) 25
Constantine (Rome) 22
Djoser (Egypt) 22
Emir Faisal (Arabia) 20 I really should downvote this guy sometime, who wants an Arab leader from the 20th Century?
John Adams (America) 21
Nkumbi a Mpudi/Diogo I (Kongo) (17-3)=14 Too similar to Mvemba a Nzinga
Ōkubo Toshimichi (Japan) 11
Otto the Great (Germany) 21
Piye (Nubia) 17
Puabi (Sumeria) 8
Robert Jenkinson (England) 22
Senusret III (Egypt) 27
Shivaji (India) 25
William the Conqueror (England) (21+1)=22 Who's Henry II? Regardless, I think he's an okay choice for an alt English leader.

To Kimiimaro, your beloved Meiji Emperor will never appear in Civ.

 

[Morningcalm]

Ahuitzotl (Aztecs) 20
Alfonso X (Spain) 21
Arminius (Germany) 19
Chandragupta Maurya (India) 25 + 1 = 26 (A mighty warrior king who became a Jainist monk, respected religious diversity, and fought and allied with Alexander's Macedonian successors (gifting 500 war elephants) near the Indian subcontinent. Builder of one of the largest empires in Indian history. His descendant Samudragupta would make for a fun leaderscreen also, with a musical instrument and many wounds. But Chandragupta was the prototype for the mighty Indian ruler.)
Constantine (Rome) 22
Djoser (Egypt) 22
Emir Faisal (Arabia) 20 - 3 = 17 (Wouldn't fit in well with the Arab representation in Civ VI at present.)
John Adams (America) 21
Nkumbi a Mpudi/Diogo I (Kongo) 14
Ōkubo Toshimichi (Japan) 11
Otto the Great (Germany) 21
Piye (Nubia) 17
Puabi (Sumeria) 8
Robert Jenkinson (England) 22
Senusret III (Egypt) 27
Shivaji (India) 25
William the Conqueror (England) 22

 

[Phrozen]

Ahuitzotl (Aztecs) 20
Alfonso X (Spain) 21
Arminius (Germany) 19
Chandragupta Maurya (India) 26
Constantine (Rome) 22
Djoser (Egypt) 22
Emir Faisal (Arabia) 20
John Adams (America) 21
Nkumbi a Mpudi/Diogo I (Kongo) 14
Ōkubo Toshimichi (Japan) 11
Otto the Great (Germany) 21
Piye (Nubia) 17
Puabi (Sumeria) 8
Robert Jenkinson (England) 22 +1 =23. Must keep up with the leaders. England needs a PM for a leader and Jenkinson is a good choice.
Senusret III (Egypt) 27
Shivaji (India) 25
William the Conqueror (England) 22 -3 =19. Not English. If there was a Norman civ he would be a great leader for it.

 

[Kimiimaro]

William the Conqueror (England) 22 -3 =19. Not English. If there was a Norman civ he would be a great leader for it.

Ehm... You know that Cleopatra was Greek, that Stalin was Georgian, that Catherine de' Medici was Italian and that Catherine the Great was German, right?

Ahuitzotl (Aztecs) 20
Alfonso X (Spain) 21
Arminius (Germany) 19
Chandragupta Maurya (India) 26
Constantine (Rome) 22
Djoser (Egypt) 22
Emir Faisal (Arabia) 20
John Adams (America) 21
Nkumbi a Mpudi/Diogo I (Kongo) 14
Ōkubo Toshimichi (Japan) 11-3=8 - He was never a full leader of Japan, and Meiji Restoration is already the Japanese unique ability.
Otto the Great (Germany) 21
Piye (Nubia) 17
Puabi (Sumeria) 8
Robert Jenkinson (England) 23
Senusret III (Egypt) 27
Shivaji (India) 25
William the Conqueror (England) 19+1=20 - He wasn't English, and so? He was a king of England, and I think he would be an interesting choice to lead it. After all, England deserves a second leader, and a king that had full power over his country would be nice.

To Guandao, I know, but unlike Ōkubo Toshimichi, he was a head of state. True, he was more like Victoria, who didn't have much powers, but he would make much bigger sense than Ōkubo Toshimichi

 

[Guandao]

Ahuitzotl (Aztecs) 20
Alfonso X (Spain) 21
Arminius (Germany) 19
Chandragupta Maurya (India) 26
Constantine (Rome) 22
Djoser (Egypt) 22
Emir Faisal (Arabia) 17 Corrected this score since Morningcalm downvoted it
John Adams (America) 21
Nkumbi a Mpudi/Diogo I (Kongo) (14-3)=11 Too similar to Mvemba a Nzinga in his religious devotion, and wouldn't offer any new gameplay
Ōkubo Toshimichi (Japan) (8+1)=9 He's a fine alternative to Meiji Emperor, if you are searching for Japanese leaders from this period. I think his score is dropping way too fast, while some even badder choices are still around (Puabi, Emir Faisal, Nkumbi a Mpudi, Arminius).
Otto the Great (Germany) 21
Piye (Nubia) 17
Puabi (Sumeria) 8
Robert Jenkinson (England) 23
Senusret III (Egypt) 27
Shivaji (India) 25
William the Conqueror (England) 20

Meiji restoration period to WWII is my least favorite part of Japanese history. I wonder why........

 

[Morningcalm]

Ahuitzotl (Aztecs) 20
Alfonso X (Spain) 21
Arminius (Germany) 19
Chandragupta Maurya (India) 26
Constantine (Rome) 22
Djoser (Egypt) 22
Emir Faisal (Arabia) 17
John Adams (America) 21
Nkumbi a Mpudi/Diogo I (Kongo) 11
Otto the Great (Germany) 21
Piye (Nubia) 17
Puabi (Sumeria) 8 - 3 = 5 (Not a leader, that we know of.)
Robert Jenkinson (England) 23
Senusret III (Egypt) 27 + 1 = 28 (Worshipped as a god by his enemy Nubians, mightily accomplished in economics and military.)
Shivaji (India) 25
William the Conqueror (England) 20

 

[Siptah]

Ahuitzotl (Aztecs) 20
Alfonso X (Spain) 21
Arminius (Germany) 19
Chandragupta Maurya (India) 26
Constantine (Rome) 22
Djoser (Egypt) 23 (22+1) Only a handful of Egyptians were worshipped after their death until roman times: Djoser, Imhotep, Amenhotep Son of Hapu, Ptahhotep. Djoser is the only Pharaoh in this group. And he's also the only Pharaoh to be referred to with a honorary name ('Djoser') in later eras instead of one of his royal names or his birth name.
Emir Faisal (Arabia) 14 (17-3) If we are to have a leader with a pan-arabism agenda, it should be Nasser.
John Adams (America) 21
Nkumbi a Mpudi/Diogo I (Kongo) 11
Otto the Great (Germany) 21
Piye (Nubia) 17
Puabi (Sumeria) 5
Robert Jenkinson (England) 23
Senusret III (Egypt) 28
Shivaji (India) 25
William the Conqueror (England) 20

 

[Kimiimaro]

Ahuitzotl (Aztecs) 20
Alfonso X (Spain) 21
Arminius (Germany) 19
Chandragupta Maurya (India) 26
Constantine (Rome) 22
Djoser (Egypt) 23
Emir Faisal (Arabia) 14
John Adams (America) 21
Nkumbi a Mpudi/Diogo I (Kongo) 11
Ōkubo Toshimichi (Japan) 9-3=6 - No, he's not a fine leader for Japan, because he was never a leader of Japan From what I read, he was a Samurai, a Home Lord (which meant interior minister) and a finances minister, but never someone who directly led of Japan.
Otto the Great (Germany) 21
Piye (Nubia) 17
Puabi (Sumeria) 5
Robert Jenkinson (England) 23
Senusret III (Egypt) 28
Shivaji (India) 25
William the Conqueror (England) 20+1=21 - A king that actually ruled England would be nice.

 

[Guandao]

Ahuitzotl (Aztecs) 20
Alfonso X (Spain) 21
Arminius (Germany) 19
Chandragupta Maurya (India) 26
Constantine (Rome) 22
Djoser (Egypt) 23
Emir Faisal (Arabia) 14
John Adams (America) (21+1)=22 If we don't want Washington as American alt leader, I think Adams can be a fine alternative.
Nkumbi a Mpudi/Diogo I (Kongo) (11-3)=8 Too similar to Mvemba a Nzinga
Ōkubo Toshimichi (Japan) 6 Yet somehow we have leaders like Gandhi, Gorgo, and Catherine de Medici.
Otto the Great (Germany) 21
Piye (Nubia) 17
Puabi (Sumeria) 5
Robert Jenkinson (England) 23
Senusret III (Egypt) 28
Shivaji (India) 25
William the Conqueror (England) 21

 

[Morningcalm]

Ahuitzotl (Aztecs) 20
Alfonso X (Spain) 21
Arminius (Germany) 19
Chandragupta Maurya (India) 26 + 1 = 27 (One of India's greatest kings.)
Constantine (Rome) 22
Djoser (Egypt) 23
Emir Faisal (Arabia) 14
John Adams (America) 22
Nkumbi a Mpudi/Diogo I (Kongo) 8
Ōkubo Toshimichi (Japan) 6
Otto the Great (Germany) 21
Piye (Nubia) 17
Puabi (Sumeria) 5 - 3 = 2 (Not a Sumerian leader.)
Robert Jenkinson (England) 23
Senusret III (Egypt) 28
Shivaji (India) 25
William the Conqueror (England) 21

 

[God of Kings]

Ahuitzotl (Aztecs) 20
Alfonso X (Spain) 21
Arminius (Germany) 19
Chandragupta Maurya (India) 27
Constantine (Rome) 22
Djoser (Egypt) 23
Emir Faisal (Arabia) 14
John Adams (America) 22
Nkumbi a Mpudi/Diogo I (Kongo) 8
Ōkubo Toshimichi (Japan) 6 + 1 = 7 Politically acceptable leader for Japan to represent the Meiji era and non-politicians such as Gandhi, CdM, and Gorgo are already in-game
Otto the Great (Germany) 21
Piye (Nubia) 17
Puabi (Sumeria) 2 - 3 = ELIMINATED Not Sumerian
Robert Jenkinson (England) 23
Senusret III (Egypt) 28
Shivaji (India) 25
William the Conqueror (England) 21