Never make farms

[klaskeren]

DONT DO IT EVER, NEVER, okay sometimes but not as the first thing in a city, or 2nd or 3rd (only rarely), MINES!, PASTURES! LUX!, if you make farms early you are making huge mistakes!

 

[kb27787]

.................not even in the capitol so you can move your workers elsewhere later?
I pre-farm all my river tiles for my cap so that mid game my workers can be working somewhere else...

With civil service farms are +2... pastures and mines are only +1... I'm not convinced... (luxes are also +1 usually except salt)

 

[IronfighterXXX]

I checked the calendar and it's not 1 april, maybe he drunk too much last night

Not single farm, even on wheat - can you explain?

 

[consentient]

I have to say that this strategy works fine if you're warmongering. Growth is not as necessary as you might think for Liberty or Honor domination. If you want to win a peaceful VC then of course you need growth, but I've pulled off a number of victories recently without building a single farm.

 

[Acken]

That's fine I have my cargo ships !

 

[budweiser]

This is my new strategy. Its kind of a lark.

1. Settle on a lux if possible.
1. Grow to size 2, or get a ruin.
2. Immediately build a Settler. (it will take 14-16 depending.
3. Meanwhile tech your luxuries:
Pot>Cal
Min
Min>Mas
AH>Trapping
4. While that is going, find a second spot to settle which is a lux.
5. Policies are straight Liberty, but can also mix Peity.

Illustration:

Spoiler :

Muang is on Foxes, Si is on Spice. Most people would not even accept this starting zoned. But, there is hidden power in most maps.

 

[JeSuisNapoleon]

Madness!

of course that can work, but if you need to grow, and need your trade routes earning money/early science/early DoF/CS allies, then you need a farm or two for growth. Especially in the capitol if you want to work all three guilds + other specialists. I dont want to be forced to use 2 (or more) trade routes just to feed the capitol. I want to use them for other things.

it depends a lot on the local dirt.
I mean, if your the aztecs, and next to a few lake tiles, then by all means, stop farming.

obviously, I think you should prioritize certain tiles first: lux, pastures. but no farms EVAR? what am I going to do with all the workers I borrowed from Florence?

 

[RaidandTrade]

what am I going to do with all the workers I borrowed from Florence?

LOL

My rough order:
Wheat and river farms
Horses
Luxes
Mines
Chopping
Roads
Trading posts
Railroads

But I tend to get "over-built" cities though.




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[consentient]

budweiser, Si is in a nice spot, but Muang has 3 plain desert tiles. Depends on level, of course, but if you don't get Petra, it's not gonna have much production OR food.

 

[budweiser]

budweiser, Si is in a nice spot, but Muang has 3 plain desert tiles. Depends on level, of course, but if you don't get Petra, it's not gonna have much production OR food.

I think Muang is doing OK. Backstabber Gandhi is on his way out.

Spoiler :

 

[consentient]

What's that unit between the two XBs south of Sukhothai?

And yes, few things are as satisfying as kililng Gandhi.

 

[budweiser]

H'wacha.

 

[Benzy19]

I usually go:

Luxuries->Wheat->Pastures/Quarries/Camps->Farms(grassland/river)->Farms(plains)->Mines

No way in hell would I ever not build farms, I build farms on any tile that allows it. The only time I build mines is if I'm trying to hard build an early wonder or improving luxuries/strategic resources.

 

[Hammer Rabbi]

sometimes you start with only masonry/calendar/trapping resources. (unless you just reroll those starts, which i dont.) you build farms because the worker you stole/saved still has 10 turns til either of those techs and early growth is super important. i build farms first even when i could choose the lux when my happy hasnt gone negative. when i get to 1/0 happy i need to prioritize them.

"Build it and they will come." (they being population.)

 

[Tabarnak]

He's partially right, at least for mp games. Getting production first before farms is a strong play. but only if you don't spend more than 1 turn idle to get to each tiles. Chop a forest on the road if possible. Farms can wait a bit.

He probably means ''don't make farm ever...for the first era.''

And klaskeren is specialized into 1vs1 where production is totally king. Where putting multiple cities with low pop is stronger than a few with high pop.

 

[Hammer Rabbi]

ah, ok. if i knew it was mp-related i probably wouldnt have responded. its not my forte. it was such a bold statement with little to explain it that i thought i'd give it a go, particularly that it was a 'huge' mistake.

 

[consentient]

It's unlikely to be many people's forte as long as the problems persist which means the majority of players can't even finish a game without it crashing! :S

 

[CraigMak]

Agreed. My early worker time is usually spent chopping trees, mining, improving luxuries, making quarries and generally improving things that lead to more production. I don't usually get to farming in full force until civil service when the riverside farms yield +2 food. That's also around the same time that tradition gives the free aqueducts making food and growth even more rewarding.