pre-release info New Civ Game Guide: Qing

[FXS_Sar]

Introducing Modern Age civ, Qing!​

As the Ming Dynasty shuddered under financial strain, a challenge appeared from its frontier – the Manchu, who were to establish the Qing Dynasty. The Qing led a new era, incorporating the Han Chinese majority and Manchu rulers together in a new, industrial and expansionist order. They claimed new dominions in neighboring states, even as they fought against European imperial ambitions.

Attributes:
Economic
Expansionist

Unique Ability:
Kang Qian Shengshi: Increase Gold, Culture, and Influence from Imported Resources, but decrease Science from Imported Resources.

Unique Infrastructure:
Huiguan: Unique Quarter. Increased Influence in this Settlement.
Shiguan: Unique Building. Science base. Happiness adjacency with Happiness buildings.
Qianzhuang: Unique Building. Gold base. Gold adjacency with Gold buildings.

Unique Civilian Unit:
Hangshang: Unique Merchant Unit. Gain Gold for every Resource acquired when creating a naval Trade Route.

Unique Military Unit:
Gusa: Unique Infantry Unit. Increased Combat Strength if adjacent to another Gusa Unique Infantry Unit.

Associated Wonder:
Chengde Mountain Resort: Gold Base. Increased Culture for every other civilization with which you have a Trade Route. Must be built adjacent to a Mountain.

Starting Biases:
Tundra

Check out the full game guide for more info & civic trees: https://civilization.2k.com/civ-vii/game-guide/civilizations/qing/

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[queenpea]

Yay!

 

[Zaarin]

Nice to another civ with a bonus/malus. Also nice not to see a third incarnation of the Great Wall.

 

[Thenewwwguy]

this is cool—i like the trade focus. tundra focus is a bit odd, i guess its bcs they’re from Manchuria?

 

[Thenewwwguy]

actually, maybe i missed something big, but why do modern civs even have start biases? i thought they inherited the cities from the previous era

 

[Zaarin]

actually, maybe i missed something big, but why do modern civs even have start biases? i thought they inherited the cities from the previous era

Single age games.

 

[Siptah]

Happy to see the Qing

I did not expect them to be so much trade focused - but it has some sense to it of course. This looks fun and I'm looking forward to try it.

I liked the first minute of the theme, but the horrible intermezzo kind of ruins the mood for me. And the following reprise cannot fix that.

 

[Zennock]

Nice to another civ with a bonus/malus. Also nice not to see a third incarnation of the Great Wall.

Inb4, the Great Firewall wonder makes a comeback haha.

 

[Zaarin]

I liked the first minute of the theme, but the horrible intermezzo kind of ruins the mood for me. And the following reprise cannot fix that.

I rather like it. China has three ages of great music IMO, though the Qing theme isn't quite as good as the Ming theme.

 

[Ryansinbela]

What are Open Customs, Farmland Assessment and Stabilizing Frontiers referencing specifically

 

[j51]

I like that they’re more distinctive from the Han and Ming. It fits their outsider origins better. Nice touch with the tundra bias for the nobility originally speaking a Tungusic language.

I’ve been reading Shadow Empires and the author’s distinction between how the forest dwellers to the northeast (Manchurian) and the steppe dwellers to the north (Mongolia) interacted with China is really interesting. So this is a neat pick.

 

[Isengardtom]

I like the look of all these cliffs and mountains

 

[Leucarum]

Well, nobody can accuse firaxis of starting the post holiday season with a bang... That's a pass from me.

 

[Xandinho]

I really like this. Finally, unique infrastructures that aren’t just the Great Wall (I like the Great Wall, but having it in two consecutive eras is a bit tedious).

I think the Chinese path started off quite well with the Han, took a slight dip with the Ming (too science-focused for my taste), and then improved again with the Qing.

 

[Sagax]

Here’s your endpoint civ, GPT-addicts! raising my hand

Doesn’t seem like they specifically facilitate any victory condition, but of course gravitate towards the economic path - and gold will always be versatile. That said, their UA (science malus) and Shiguan (science base) seem to be at odds with each other? Also a bit of an awkward endpoint for the science-centric Han > Ming route (well, I guess that kinda historical).

 

[Thenewwwguy]

Here’s your endpoint civ, GPT-addicts! raising my hand

Doesn’t seem like they specifically facilitate any victory condition, but of course gravitate towards the economic path - and gold will always be versatile. That said, their UA (science malus) and Shiguan (science base) seem to be at odds with each other?

isn’t the UA not a science malus in totality? they just want to you to domestically produce your science.

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

isn’t the UA not a science malus in totality? they just want to you to domestically produce your science.

Kinda? It's worded to suggest that the more imported resource you have, the less Science you generate which means you now have to spend that extra production on getting more Science things up to offset it.

 

[moondog385]

I’m so glad we get to play as China throughout the ages in Civ. Looking forward to doing one long run with them. And I echo others concerning the lack of a Great Wall. Not sure that would make much sense for Modern anyway.

I don’t know if this is just me coping, but the Modern Age civ descriptions don’t seem to have that kind of “rise and fall” narrative to them that the other ages have. To me, that points away from a fourth age but that could be wishful thinking on my end.

 

[Lord Lakely]

isn’t the UA not a science malus in totality? they just want to you to domestically produce your science.

You have a unique science building, and increased settlement limit. Plus, Gold can be used for everything you need. Need more Science? Buy a Science building. Spend the extra Influence on a Scientific Endeavour. There are options.

You also can enter Qing from the Mongols, and if you do you empire is massive. More people and more cities => more science.

It'll be fine. It's not as strong as America's bonuses but these bonuses scale the more cities you have, unlike America's. G

 

[SeelingCat]

Qing Uniques! EDIT: Thanks to @8housesofelixir for some additional information/corrections!

Kang Qian Shengshi	Ability	康乾盛世; "Kang[xi]-Qian[long] Golden Age"	The period of time spanning from the reign of Emperor Kangxi to the reign of Emperor Qianlong, noted as the heyday or golden age of the Qing; Also known as the High Qing or Kang Yong Qian Shengshi
Ten Great Campaigns	Civic		A series of military campaigns during the reign of the Qianlong Emperor, targeting Central Asia, Taiwan, Burma, Vietnam, Tibet, and Sichuan
Open Customs	Civic		Unsure if this is a particular reference, or just a description of China's (often forceful) opening to foreign trade during the Qing
Kang Xi Tax Reformation	Civic		Refers to the tax reforms made under the Kangxi Emperor; he made remissions, and froze land and corvee taxes in 1712
Stabilizing Frontier	Civic		Potentially a reference to the mission of many of the Ten Great Campaigns to stabilize the frontier regions of the Qing
Chuang Guandong	Tradition	闖關東; "Crashing into Guandong"	The rush of Han people into Manchuria in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, resulting in Han Chinese becoming a majority in the area
Cohong	Tradition	公行; "Public Trade"	A guild of merchants that operated the import-export monopoly in Guangzhou. Prior to the First Opium War, "trade relations between China and Europe took place exclusively via the Cohong"
Farmland Assessment	Tradition		Refers to the abandonment of the levy tax, the last part of the Kangxi Tax Reforms.
Banner Army	Tradition		Administrative and military divisions that originated under Nurhaci and in place during the Later Jin and Qing dynasties. Considered to be the elite forces of the Qing military until their failure to suppress the Taiping Rebellion
Huiguan	Quarter	會館; "guild hall; clan association"; lit. "gathering house"	A guildhall or assembly hall - A famous example would be the Huguang Huiguan in Chongqing - a complex containing many venues including those for business/trade and social activities. Related to 同鄉會 Tongxianghui, an association or club of people from the same region (see Kongsi)
Shiguan	Building	試舘/試館 lit. "examination office/building"	A reference to the imperial examinations for selecting bureaucrats; the examinations date back to the Sui Dynasty and lasted until 1905.
Qianzhuang	Building	錢莊; lit. "coin farm"	Independent and private Chinese banks; first appeared during the Ming Dynasty, but greatly proliferated during the Qing. Were more likely to invest in riskier business practices compared to the larger nation-wide banking networks
Hangshang	Civilian	行商; "business/guild merchant"	The Chinese merchants who made up the Cohong
Gusa	Military	ᡤᡡᠰᠠ (Manchu, gūsa)	A Banner (see Banner Army)