New civ linked to new resource

[Moraiwe]

I would have thought rubber was more obvious for Indonesia. My memory's failing - wasn't rubber part of a previous Civilization incarnation?

 

[Loaf Warden]

Civ III. And Rubber isn't "obvious" for anyone. It's found in a lot of unrelated places. It could have been Brazil as easily as Indonesia. More so, in fact; it's native to South America and was transplanted to other places, including Indonesia.

 

[Moraiwe]

Sorry, didn't mean that rubber implied Indonesia, just that I associated it with Indonesia more than pearls which was suggested earlier. I should've quoted.

 

[codepoet]

Maybe Venice and using Atolls to build a canal / artificial land tile in some way

 

[sukritact]

I feel like Batik for Indonesia really hasn't caught on. Any reason why?

 

[SnowKomodo]

I feel like Batik for Indonesia really hasn't caught on. Any reason why?

I think it's because every resource up to this point is something your Civ can farm from the ground or sea. The only manufactured resources come from city-states so it's too outside-the-box for many to imagine batik, even though it's a very realistic possibility

 

[Loaf Warden]

I think it's because every resource up to this point is something your Civ can farm from the ground or sea. The only manufactured resources come from city-states so it's too outside-the-box for many to imagine batik, even though it's a very realistic possibility

If that were the reason, there wouldn't be nearly so many people hyperventilating with excitement over the thought that it's Glass.

 

[Louis XXIV]

I feel like Batik for Indonesia really hasn't caught on. Any reason why?

Probably because most people don't know what it is and they think Venetian Glass is a probable answer.

 

[SnowKomodo]

If that were the reason, there wouldn't be nearly so many people hyperventilating with excitement over the thought that it's Glass.

Good point.

@sukritact, Well, to be fair Batik was actually thrown around quite a lot earlier on. But when the prospect of Indonesia began to dim so did speculation. The Italian thread however was alive and kicking so the pathway reasonably led to glass

 

[sukritact]

I've suggested it multiple times, but it was always overshadowed by rubber and "Java", glass caught on fairly quickly by the Italy/Venice supporters.

So I just wondered if there was anyone against it or something. After a year of Bahasa classes Batik just really quickly came to my mind when I thought of the civ linked resource (thank you ASEAN), but everyone else seemed so resistant...

 

[Loaf Warden]

Is there any compelling reason why it should be batik? Never mind for the moment that it would be unique to Indonesia; a lot of manufactured goods could be unique to somebody. But thinking about building an Indonesian civ from the ground up, with all the different ways it could be done, is there anything special about batik that would make them think it would be awesome to build Indonesia in such a way as to make use of this resource which wasn't already present?

 

[SnowKomodo]

I've suggested it multiple times, but it was always overshadowed by rubber and "Java", glass caught on fairly quickly by the Italy/Venice supporters.

So I just wondered if there was anyone against it or something. After a year of Bahasa classes Batik just really quickly came to my mind when I thought of the civ linked resource (thank you ASEAN), but everyone else seemed so resistant...

I just went back in this thread to see the resistance. It's strange: In the very same string of pages people are dismissing batik for being too specialized while welcoming glass

Also, stumbled upon the funniest resource idea one of the first few pages: Komodo dragons for Indonesia

 

[SnowKomodo]

Is there any compelling reason why it should be batik? Never mind for the moment that it would be unique to Indonesia; a lot of manufactured goods could be unique to somebody. But thinking about building an Indonesian civ from the ground up, with all the different ways it could be done, is there anything special about batik that would make them think it would be awesome to build Indonesia in such a way as to make use of this resource which wasn't already present?

It would be a good example of Indonesia's culture and batik is one of most famous things to come out of Indonesia.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

I just went back in this thread to see the resistance. It's strange: In the very same string of pages people are dismissing batik for being too specialized while welcoming glass

Also, stumbled upon the funniest resource idea one of the first few pages: Komodo dragons for Indonesia

I'm seeing something similar in the Italy thread. People who were decrying Venice as too small are trying to encourage other similarly-sized European entities to take off. It's like "anything but Venice" with these people.

 

[cybrxkhan]

Batik seems plausible, but it would seem like an odd choice to me. All the resources so far - even the CS-specific ones - have been generic to some extent. Even glass, which would clearly be linked with Venice, is still kind of generic. At the very least "glass" in and of itself isn't unique to Venice, it's just that Venice has got the best of it. Batik is just plain and simple unique.


Unlike what some think, I don't think the resource has to be that unique. It doesn't need to give away the civ in 2 seconds. They just said it'd give away the civ. That could mean that it's somewhat related but most people would make a connection if they think about it for a minute. It could just mean that they didn't want us to narrow down the possibilities. It could mean a lot of things. It doesn't mean it has to be so specific like Belgian fries or Vietnamese Pho or something like that.

 

[Yzman]

I think buffalo and a native american tribe like the sioux is the most likely...

 

[SnowKomodo]

Batik seems plausible, but it would seem like an odd choice to me. All the resources so far - even the CS-specific ones - have been generic to some extent. Even glass, which would clearly be linked with Venice, is still kind of generic. At the very least "glass" in and of itself isn't unique to Venice, it's just that Venice has got the best of it. Batik is just plain and simple unique.


Unlike what some think, I don't think the resource has to be that unique. It doesn't need to give away the civ in 2 seconds. They just said it'd give away the civ. That could mean that it's somewhat related but most people would make a connection if they think about it for a minute. It could just mean that they didn't want us to narrow down the possibilities. It could mean a lot of things. It doesn't mean it has to be so specific like Belgian fries or Vietnamese Pho or something like that.

I see what you mean with the generic issue. It would definitely be out there

 

[Loaf Warden]

It would be a good example of Indonesia's culture and batik is one of most famous things to come out of Indonesia.

I can't really say I find that a compelling reason to put it in. Just about any civ could have some product they make that is a good example of their culture and is famous put in as a resource just for them, but so far, none of them ever have. I think that would be a strange precedent to set. To me, a more compelling reason would be, say, if their wealth and greatness was built upon their monopoly of it (like the Phoenicians with Tyrian purple), or it was such an integral part of what made their culture what it is that their very identity was defined by it to a large extent (like the Great Plains tribes and buffalo). In building an Indonesian civ, I just don't see why they would take the trouble to add batik for them when adding resources as a vaguely cool cultural thing is not something they've ever done.

 

[codepoet]

I'd never heard of "batik" before now.

 

[ImperialChaos]

Bison/Buffalo - Sioux
Tobacco - Shawnee/Powhatan
Batik or Rice - Indonesia (3rd largest producer of rice in the world)
Glass - Venice

That's what I can come up with so far.