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New Civ: Switzerland

Discussion in 'Civ4 - New Civilizations' started by Robo Magic Man, Feb 2, 2006.

  1. Robo Magic Man

    Robo Magic Man Prince

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    UPDATE: THE MOD CAN NOW BE DOWNLOADED HERE

    SWITZERLAND

    -Leaderhead: Guillaume Henri Dufour
    Favorite Civic: Universal Suffrage
    Traits: Industrious, Organized
    -Unique Unit: Hellebardier/Swiss Mercenary (Pikeman)
    -Flag: Modern Swiss Flag
    -Color: Red

    Download here
    Recent Edit: Hellebardier unit fixed

    *My current civilopedia article for Dufour is currently a bit lacking (a stub from Wikipedia) If anyone finds a better one, let me know.

    Please post any comments, suggestions, etc.

    Thanks to Dusty4prez for the flag, and Wikipedia for the civilopedia text.
     

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  2. Wyz_sub10

    Wyz_sub10 CIV Gold - Project Lead

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    Great job. The UU looks terrific.

    One suggestion - given the Swiss style of government, I wonder if "Representation" might not be more appropriate for a favourite civic.
     
  3. Robo Magic Man

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    Yeah, I agree. I'l change that soon.
     
  4. Swissempire

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    FINALLY!!!!< YES!!!!! WOOHHOO!!. THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!

    oh and wit there current gov, maybe Universal Suffarge would be better. They are one of the most true democracies in the world!
     
  5. David Smith

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    Down load link doesn't work!:cry:
     
  6. zeysoft

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    Is the correct one this?
     
  7. Robo Magic Man

    Robo Magic Man Prince

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    @Swissempire
    Glad you like it. I've had friends tell me that no one will play as Switzerland because of its neutrality, but they've been proven wrong :D.

    @zeysoft
    Yes, that's the correct link. Sorry for the inconvenience. I'll fix that link now.

    ...Now it works.
     
  8. Robo Magic Man

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    Ok, I changed the civic from Nationhood to Universal Suffrage
     
  9. mitsho

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    So I see the the final civ too, :goodjob: great job again! I wonder if it'd be too much work to include Zwingli (spiritual, aggressive) as a second leader to represent the other "medieval" version of Switzerland too! ;)

    mitsho
     
  10. Robo Magic Man

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    That wouldn't be too hard. I'll probably add that soon.
     
  11. zoon politikon

    zoon politikon Chieftain

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    Universal Suffrage as favorite civic? That sounds rather strange to me: Universal Suffrage was established in Switzerland only in 1971 (!!). A much better civic would be Representation.

    UU looks splendid though.
     
  12. Mrop

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    Isn't the favourite civic leader specific? Then that guy (whom I never heard of) should probably have Universal Suffrage for his fav. And add a medieval leader with Heriditary rule or something.
     
  13. Robo Magic Man

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    Yeah, his favorite civic is Universal Suffrage. For a medieval leader, I'm going to add Huldrych Zwingli (one of the leaders of the reformation). Switzerland is and was a confederation, so I'm not entirely sure if they even had a king in medieval times.

    and @zoon
    Who couldn't vote until 1971 in Switzerland?
     
  14. mitsho

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    @RoboMagicMan, In 1971, the Swiss state obliged all federal states (who could decide this to the point of time) to introduce universal suffrage, meaning voting rights for women. But women did get the right to vote earlier in some city cantons like Geneva or Basel. The date above indicates a judgement of the highest court of switzerland forcing a last mountain-canton with around 14'000 inhabitants and also geographically really small to allow women to vote. Thus said, Representation might be a better favourite civic for Dufour, agreed.

    Zwingli on the other hand should receive theocracy as favourite civic, or does any other leader have this as his or hers?

    mitsho

    PS: We kicked the kings (=Habsburgs) out of the country really soon, that was what for example the William Tell story is about. Nevertheless, the Aristocracy stayed ;) and another trivia is that the Habsburg, the home castle of the Habsburgs is in Switzerland (just above a highway btw.). So, the home castle of the most powerful dynasty of Europe is in the country which kicked them out! :)
     
  15. Robo Magic Man

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    Ok, I've now changed the favorite civic to Representation.
     
  16. Fellow

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    well i'd say the real Hero of Switzerland should be General Guisan who builded up the strategie in 2 WW called the Réduit wich consisted in a real impressive defence in the alpes of switzerland.

    While Zwingli only worked in Zurich and was not important looking at the whole of switzerland. (There you could also mention Calvin who's work in Geneva was as known as the one of Zwingli or in Basel Oekolombad...)

    And another thing in Fact Willhelm Tell is a myth (as Barbarossa) it's an Invention of Denmark who founded his way into switzerland through the french who wanted to push the ideas of the french revolution in switzerland.

    Tha Drame written by Schiller was written in order to push the revolution agains france wich occupied them on this time.

    In the time of the "gnädige Herre vo Bärn" Some Aristocrates of Bern (the Capital) there was even another Hero replacing Willhelm Tell called Winkelried (also a Myth) so you see Willhelm Tell in fact wasn't more than just a good story.
     
  17. mitsho

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    Dufour excelled in military (Sonderbundskrieg), in social ideas (Red Cross), and generally represents an united Switzerland. Guisan is more recent and his politics are highly disputed (come on, the reduit was a total sinking of money).

    Zwingli was my proposal (as a Basler, remind you!). My reasoning is that unlike Calvin, he was not only a theologican, but also took the power in Zurich and finally fell in battle. Besides, he is more Swiss than Calvin and more known than Oekolombad.

    But I totally agree with you on William Tell, Arnold von Winkelried and all the others... ;)

    mitsho
     
  18. Fellow

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    nothing against you but Zwingli stays a person wich only worked in a limited area , means Zurich so he doesn't represent switzerland! And another question does a Hero really need to die in battle?

    The Reduit... Well we will never know what was it's worth because the time is over. In Spit of this it gave the people some hope , a-n-idea of what to do when they would be atacked. Looking at this point it was just brilliant! While as I said the military value of it will never been prooven .

    Well if we can't find an arrangement about those leaders , what's about Pictet de Rochemont who represented Switzerland in the congress of vienna. An so made Switzerland neutral

    Or what about Thomas Legler The commandant of the swiss who fought at Beresina? (Wich was really a wonder what they did there!)
     
  19. Fellow

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    another question , I downloaded the Mod ... but how do I use it?
    Thx
     
  20. mitsho

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    Point One: Yes, but Caesar actually had very little reigning time too, Saladin didn't rule all the Arab world, neither did Ashoka or Gandhi (regarding India of course). Ruling all of the civ is in my humble opinion not a decisive reason. What really counts is that the leader is an outstanding, leading person who got something off alone, and my point two (him dying in battle) is only to enforce this.
    Despite only having 'governed' Zurich, he was one of very few Swiss, who was egocentrical enough that everyone followed his will (or not!). Since it doesn't make sense to put seven people on a leader-photo of civ (diplomatic screen), because it would get way too crowded, we need such extraordinary men or women.
    Dufour somehow was a similar personality while guisan is only known for the reduit, but that could have also been just the military "generals".

    Well, the only military value would be the blocking of the Alps for Axis-transports which would be ok from a military point of view, but else.... I won't discuss this now as it would just take too long and I'm kinda weary of these disputes, reminds me of all these school lessons ;).

    Frankly, I've never heard of him, so I definitely need to look him up. He probably would be a neat choice, other than the fact that he would be the second Russian, erm Romand. ;)

    Being only a military commander doesn't seem enough for me. ;) but worth a look.

    Only this mod:
    1. Save all the folders in your firaxis games/civilization 4/mods folder.
    2. Open the game and go advanced -> load a mod -> load Swiss Mod
    3. Game reloads and you can chose the Swiss to play

    Along with other mods:
    Either make the game load this mod automatically (via changing the mod=0 line in your civilization4.ini file in Personal files/my games/civilization 4, but I need to test this first and search out the real correct line, the one I mentioned is out of the top of my head ;))
    Or save all the files in the different folders (civilzation names, city names, etc. You'd need to change a lot here, but certainly works).

    mfG mitsho
     

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