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[BNW] NEW Community Challenge Game series - Game 1 - Spain

Discussion in 'Civ5 - Strategy & Tips' started by consentient, Dec 15, 2017.

  1. consentient

    consentient Domination!

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    Back in the day, there was a fair group of people on here that all used to play challenge series, where we'd all play the same map and share our playthroughs. The first ones were called Deity Challenge Line-up (DCL) and Immortal Challenge Line-up (ICL). Later there was one called the Community Deity Game (CDG).

    Those who know, know. Those who don't, come and play this new shared game with us anyway!

    I probably won't post any maps where a Domination victory isn't possible, because that is generally how I like to roll....and I won't be doing maps for all the civs, only the most interesting ones...(so no Iroquois or Carthage most likely!)

    But I will try (as I always have) to provide fun and interesting maps that suit all playstyles.

    I will rotate the difficulty from Immortal, to Demigod (Deity with a couple of bonuses) and Deity.

    Maps will be posted on a roughly fortnightly basis.

    I will make regular use of different mods, that in my opinion objectively improve the game.

    Provisional Schedule: -

    Spoiler :
    Game 2 - Greece (Demigod)
    Game 3 - Babylon (Deity)
    and so on




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    So welcome to Game 1:

    You play as Spain, on a Hellblazer Pangaea map, on Immortal.

    Other settings:
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    6 Natural Wonders, Low Sea Level, 5 Billion Age


    There are no suggested victory conditions, so play any way you want.

    Have fun!

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    Starting Location:
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  2. mbbcam

    mbbcam Prince

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    OK -- played the first 30 turns. A very new experience. Will write up later. Does seem a very nice start, though! Thanks for the map.
     
  3. mbbcam

    mbbcam Prince

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    Spoiler Turns 1-30 :

    Never done this before, so I hope I don't violate any rules.
    I have a few screenshots, but I'm not good at working out how to upload the things. I'll see what I can do later.

    T1 -- Settled in place. I did consider moving to the hill tile on the other side of the river, but decided there was as much to be lost as to be gained, perhaps more. Build order was Scout, Monument, Scout, Scout. Research = Animal Husbandry. First scouting direction was SE.

    T3 -- First ruin -- Animal Husbandry! Decided to research Pottery.

    T4 -- Met Catherine (who had gone Liberty -- watch out for lots of expansion).

    T5 -- Madrid reached 2 pop. Decided to work production tile for quicker Monument. Gold ruin (+85).

    T6 -- First scout -- moved W.

    T8 -- found Sri Pada, +500 gold. Immediately bought Settler. Also found Barb ruin (how useless). Found the border of Russia.

    T10 -- Archery from ruin.

    T13 -- Founded Barcelona next to Sri Pada.

    T15 -- Found Pantheon (the first, so full choice of Pantheons). Thought about this for a long time, as I don't really have much experience of using Pantheons. On the one hand, opting for more food from Camps seemed a good choice, particularly as I was thinking of going Tradition. But the capital already had a good supply of food, so I reasoned it would be better to try and boost something else. As I was producing very little Culture, I chose Goddess of Festivals (+1 Culture and +1 Faith from Wine and Incense). I already had one Wine tile and could maybe get another by founding a third city to the NW.

    T17 -- Cities grew to 3 and 2 pop. Opened the Tradition tree. I haven't played much in recent times, and I'm not feeling quite spirited enough to try a CB rush. Perhaps better to go for growth.

    T18 -- A gold ruin and a map ruin -- the latter fairly useless. Completed Mining, began researching Calendar.

    T20 -- Meet Harald (who had gone Liberty) and William (also Liberty!) Seems like Tradition could have been a good move -- there won't be much space on this map. Perhaps we can get them fighting each other. They could be getting in each other's way.

    T21 -- Russia gets a Settler. My warrior has been camped on the Russian border since he arrived there, waiting for an opportunity to steal a worker, but the terrain is against it. With the way their warriors have been positioned, it would be easy to block retreat with Zone of Control. Seeing the Settler makes me wonder if I can steal that, or if it will mean that a Worker will go unguarded. I also start a Settler (12 turns to complete).

    T22 -- Social Policy -- I take Oligarchy.

    T24 -- St Petersburg founded to the East of Moscow. The Russian Settler I saw has been well guarded as it moved North, and there was obviously another one out of my sight that was going in the other direction. So no easy steal.

    T26 -- Start to research Sailing -- A Russian caravan to Barcelona is established giving me +2 Science and +1 Gold. No sense in making war on Russia at this point.

    T28 -- I am first to meet Mogadishu, despite it being on Russia's doorstep, so I get +30 Gold.

    T29 -- Weapon upgrade from a ruin -- a surprising number undiscovered -- so I get an Archer.
     
  4. consentient

    consentient Domination!

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    Spoiler :
    I settled in place, found Sri Pada AND the Mesa first, settled them as 2nd and 4th cities. 3rd city went to between them near the gems.

    DOW'd Catherine for a Worker and stayed at war with her until taking her cap with CB rush
     
  5. aafritz17

    aafritz17 Prince Hall of Fame Staff Supporter

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    Will download and play tomorrow.

    Thanks, too, for adding the link to Hellblazer. I usually play HOF rules, so haven't added very many mods. But I have seen the maps recommended many times, so it'll be great to finally experience one.
     
  6. consentient

    consentient Domination!

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    Spoiler :
    Everything going well for a decently-timed Domination. On Immortal, unless you get that one civ who eats up a couple of the others and runs away using their AI bonuses, you don't have to be too precise with your tech timings.

    I took William and Harald using Crossbows, and will now spam Catapults to upgrade them into Cannons.


    On a technical note, I am finding that neither the Steam key (F12) nor the Windows PRT SCR button is working for screenshots. Any help please? This is my first PC in a few years, and I'm still ironing out its little idiosyncrasies.
     
  7. claudiupb

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    You can check your settings in steam, maybe it's not f12. While in game shift+tab opens the steam overlay, and there should be some settings button in the bottom of the screen. There you check the last tab (In-Game), there should be the shortcut keys there.
     
  8. beetle

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    I wanted to wait on the UU before spamming units. Then just pretty much turtle to an SV. One of the neighbors was not so keen on waiting, so now I am playing defensive until arty. I plan to kill him off while liberating the two civs he killed.
     
  9. mbbcam

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    Well, my first attempt showed the value of having a plan. I hadn't got one. The result of that was that I spent 197 turns paddling about and getting nowhere. In the back of what I like to call my mind, I think I had some sort of notion that I would turtle until I reached artillery. So I went Tradition. Everybody else seemed to have gone Liberty, so I sat and watched as the map filled in with all sorts of pretty colours. It seems that I have no idea of how to play Tradition well, because by the time I'd got to turn 197, other people's fourth and fifth cities seemed about as large as my first ones. I was second in Science, but my nearest neighbour was beginning to go off the scale in Science (thank you Info Addict) and I came to the conclusion that as soon as I reached Artillery, they would too, and would no doubt reach Flight quicker than I could.

    At that point I decided to try something different, so I went back to a save around T25 and replayed taking Liberty and going to war with CBs. This worked a lot better, perhaps because I am more familiar with Liberty than Tradition, perhaps for other reasons. However, my neighbour to the SW had two cities in awkward terrain, and it took me about three replays before I found a way of capturing them before Doomsday arrived. (I have always been very poor at tactics and always struggle with rough terrain and capturing cities.) Anyway, the last run-through was a lot better, no doubt as a result of having thought about the possibilities for longer, and I then moved on to my neighbour to the west with XBs. I have captured one city, which had the Pyramids (hooray!) and will move on to the others. It is turn 134, so I'm probably going too slowly, but that is me -- ageing and slow.

    It's a novel experience playing Spain. I almost always play England (OK, I have a personal obsession I am working through) so I sometimes have to remind myself that the Spanish units are mine, not the enemy!
     
  10. consentient

    consentient Domination!

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    So, you hadn't reached Dynamite by T197 then?

    Did you beeline it after Education? Some people make the mistake of going to Public Schools first before Dynamite. The earlier you get Dynamite the more you will be able to tear through the enemy. So you want to save a GS and get Oxford setup to blast through Fertiliser and the other techs just before it. Also have about 25 cannons ready and a few Knights to upgrade into Cavalry.

    T134 having captured 2 capitals and having XBs is good, though.

    Just make sure you have Canons available ASAP as Muskets and later units don't really care about XBs, nor do cities with much more than 30 HP.

    Best of luck. And remember to keep the map at war, and do the diplomacy so you can keep 1 or 2 trading partners as long as possible before they figure out that you're the baddie!

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    In my own game, things are going well. I made William and Harald into enough of a villain that me DOW-ing them was seen as a positive. I'm just about to take Harald's expo so I can run a road through it, and then I will turn South and see what kind of protection Pacal has.

     
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  11. stormtrooper412

    stormtrooper412 Peacemongering Turtlesaur

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    I haven't played this game in a good while so it will be a fun experience, providing I get around to playing it
     
  12. mbbcam

    mbbcam Prince

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    @consentient -- You are right -- I went Public Schools first. But given the situation (and my personality) I don't think I was going to tear through anything!

    You touch on some other things that are probably at the root of why I can't play Civ. I am very poor at keeping multiple things on the go. (This also applies to what people call "Real Life", a strange expression in a sense, in that playing Civ also happens "In Real Life", but I know what is meant by it.) I'm a fairly extreme case of the inability to Multi-Task. I will pursue one thing and totally forget about others. There have been occasions when I've arrived at Dynamite in good time, and then realised that I don't have any Cannon to upgrade. I'm not sure to what extent I can cure this, as it seems to be a fairly profound psychological trait!

    Playing this has been educational, however. I always learn from our exchanges. I have missed them.
     
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    Thanks for the @consentient, I do not remember playing Hellblazer Pangea before. I can see why it would be popular for multiplayer. Something for everyone. I picked up three ruins after T300, so clearly there was room for the Conquistador to shine.

    I had poor luck / poor playing in the beginning. Lost my Warrior to barbs, so first build in each expo was an archer. Lost a settler for several turns. I only got 500 gold from one NW and had all my expos up before finding it. I only discovered the closer faith mountain after I had already built a shrine. I am looking forward to trying this game again from scratch, happily exploiting map knowledge.

    I was first to Ideologies, so went Order. I thought I working an SV, but then the WL vote came up on T332 and I took the Diplo VC.
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    mbbcam Prince

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    I'm definitely getting old -- after playing for an hour I can feel my performance dropping like a stone.

    Spoiler nth Attempt -- up to T213 :
    Going Liberty has proved much more successful for me. I'm not much good at the fighting, but I'm useless at turtling, so it's a question of "least worst option". I believe I'm nowhere near aggressive enough. However ... I managed to remove Russia from the game with CBs, then moved on to William with XBs. I left him one city, and as things were calming down, an unescorted Danish Settler appeared right next to my troops. I wasn't quite ready yet, but I felt it was easier to capture it than to capture a city, so that started the war with Harald. I was about 12 turns from getting Artillery, so I mainly harried him until I could mount a serious attack. Unfortunately, not long after I got Artillery his Norwegian Ski Troops began to appear, which will complicate matters. However, my army is the largest in the game, and I have completed Commerce and opened Honor (intending to go left side for the extra experience) so I think things are in reasonable shape. Those Norwegian troops have crazy combat strength, though. I think I will have to get the Artillery to Logistics before I make much impression on them.

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    consentient Domination!

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    Tech-wise, I would concentrate on getting to Bombers ASAP, and finish the map off in one big sweep of Bombers + Paras + Cavalry/Landship/Tanks. It's unstoppable
     
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    Thanks for the wisdom! I shall follow your suggestion. It has been getting a bit like treacle.
     
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    Just to keep an oar in the water, I played this game about halfway through last weekend, but couldn't get it finished. My job this week is 800 miles from home, so I'll finish it THIS weekend.

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    My first thought was to play for a peaceful culture victory (meaning, one can't build ALL the Wonders, so one DOES need to take a FEW from the neighbors, right?) But after exploring and finding how hemmed-in the southern neighbor was, I knew there would be a lot of warring, probably directed at me. I have been able to bribe several wars to keep her preoccupied, but when she started plopping cities NORTH of me, I knew something had to be done. I signed DefPacts with 3 or 4 Civs (generally those are a bad idea, but here I thought they served a purpose), and when she declared on my other neighbor - Insta-World War! The juicy part is, she has built MANY World Wonders, and I shall soon have her capitol!

    About the map - I was surprised at the number of islands that are worthy of settling. That is a function of the HellBlazer scripting, right? If that is typically the case, next time I would be planning on expanding to a couple of those. Learned it too late for use this time, but...
     
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    consentient Domination!

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    I've never really noticed the islands, to be honest. To reach them, one would have to get to Astronomy to be able to settle them, and it's generally not a very good idea to settle cities that late.
     
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    stormtrooper412 Peacemongering Turtlesaur

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    Finished on turn 259. Sloppy af but it's par for the course at this point.

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    I managed to spot and settle both natural wonders as early as turn 15-ish. Quick pantheon was One With Nature so I could found a religion first, over time it spread like crazy and with Tithe it meant all that good $$$. Early game nothing too fancy, explore around, build up, get annoyed by barbs (lost a worker and then had to run along and get them back). Tradition into Patronage into Secularism. Education 100-ish, Sci Theory 150-ish, so pretty good but I think I burned the scientists a bit too early because rust. I prebuilt som highways to the western neighbors so I can get the reinforcement out more quickly. I still managed good time on Combustion so I spammed Landships, Artillery was a backup but they were soon proven to be too slow to be of any use. I waited a bit to time the Clausewiz for the beginning of the total war. I stomped Russia in 5 or so turns, then moved on Denmark who had destroyed Netherlands and Morocco (free points for Liberation army yay) then trudged through the forests north for the Iroquois and mountains to the south for Carthage. Tanks against Riflemen is quite an unfair matchup, especially since I had Blitzkrieg on as well. Massive unhappiness piled up so I lost one city to a revolution but captured it back, while selling excess deadweight puppets to remedy the happiness sink. Really fun


    Now on to my experience with this game: When I first started many years ago, I was, as everyone, pretty clueless as to how the game worked. My first Deity win was a trigger for me to get better and learn more. Which was frustrating because I soon became obsessed with optimal strategies and fast finish times to the point I was being angry I was wasting time playing out maps and not getting the results I wanted. Some maps I played over and over and at one point it had to stop. When something stops being fun and starts feeling more like a chore, that's a very obvious sign that it needs to stop. I don't remember the exact moment it stopped but what happened afterwards was more important. I have soon discovered the NQ Mod and learned some of its shenanigans BUT I dialed down to Immortal difficulty. It was a sweet spot, challenging enough but still not frustrating. Second thing that happened was my getting addicted to Dark Souls which completely changed my view on video games as a genre. Completely contradicting to the previous point I know, but without going into much detail, I can safely say one needs to balance the available free time with having fun with something and all that while providing oneself with a stimulus strong enough to require self betterment or some such. It's a stretch but video games have the potential to teach us valuable life lessons
     
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    Yeah, but some are probably reachable with Optics. And some of the islands could even have two cities. Would be an awesome sort of map for a Sacred Sites game, where you're planting cities right to the end!
     

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