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New DLC, December 1?

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by Willowmound, Dec 1, 2010.

  1. JoxerNL

    JoxerNL Warlord

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    I really hope someone does.
    Really this is just idiocy, 2.99 for a single map is bollocking around with the costumers.

    I hope the community can send a very loud and clear message out to firaxis that we aint taking this kind of behaviour.
     
  2. HeavyTwenty

    HeavyTwenty Chieftain

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    New DLCs, no patch fixing game ruining/ending bugs. Good to see where their priorities lie.

    Lesson learned from Civ V: never preorder any game even if it seems like a sure thing.
     
  3. Maniacal

    Maniacal the green Napoleon

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    Different packs were available from different retailers.

    I don't know why you'd want to make it EXACTLY the same but yes you should be free to make your own themed maps.

    The maps were already finished before release so this really shouldn't have detracted any time from bug fixing.
     
  4. Camikaze

    Camikaze Administrator Administrator

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    To spite Firaxis? ;)

    Or simply to get the exact same playing experience as you would be buying the map.

    This is good, but it does seem odd. Surely people will not dish out money for something that they could easily build to the exact same standard, or that someone else probably will build to the exact same standard, and release for free.
     
  5. Aeon221

    Aeon221 Lord of the Cheese Helmet

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    Wow. I think this just pushed me from "wait for the inevitable kitchen sink edition" to "no sale".

    Valve puts out map packs for free, regularly, even on the Xbox. Bioware pumped out tons of free content for Mass Effect 2. Stardock and Paradox rewrote their games for free. Taleworlds too. Even more impressively, when Stardock screws up a game, they own up to it and attempt to make their customers whole with free content -- such as two free expansions for the people who suffered through Elemental's launch -- or a refund.

    These are your competitors for my entertainment dollars. You're not even close to measuring up any more. If you survive the next few years as a going concern, I might be interested. But, frankly, it's starting to look less and less likely when you're busily ruining your core IP with boneheaded marketing decisions.
     
  6. Maniacal

    Maniacal the green Napoleon

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    They don't look that great, accurate or even large enough imo, but eh its kind of a gray area and afaik as long as it isn't an exact replica its fine.

    You'd be surprised.

    No, they don't, not being allowed by Microsoft to release the content for free on the X-Box 360 is one of their self-admitted biggest failures (they expected Microsoft to change that policy, and they haven't), which is why TF2 for the 360 is still not updated.

    Bioware pumped out tons of free content for Mass Effect 2
    Very little of it was free, so no they didn't http://masseffect.bioware.com/info/dlc/

    Example please? I don't recall Paradox or Taleworlds (which has only two games that I paid close attention too) doing either of that (I know Stardock is committed to finishing and fixing Elemental).

    That is because they totally dropped the ball on Elemental, they really screwed up. Civ5 isn't quite as bad (its not great, but there have been many far worse releases, some of which became good games once patched).
     
  7. MoonFlare

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    So...Another SCAM from 2K\firaxis.
     
  8. Aeon221

    Aeon221 Lord of the Cheese Helmet

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    My mistake? Content packs online are both regular and free for the PC. Microsoft sucks.

    Compared to Firaxis, tons.

    http://masseffect.bioware.com/info/cerberus/

    Everything in that section is free. Two parts contain a significant amount of additional in game content in the form of quite enjoyable missions. In any event, any reasonable person would agree that the Shadow Broker pack, $10, is worth a good bit more than four crummy maps that most people wouldn't bother with even if they were free.

    Every Paradox game since EU1 has received extensive rewrites with major community involvement. Both EU2 and 3 received multiple massive patches that completely changed every aspect of the game, free.

    Taleworlds released Mount and Blade with the commitment that you could buy in for a discount at early beta (I think I paid like ten bucks, probably less) and receive all the content up to the full version without paying a dime. They've since made regular content releases and community involvement an integral part of their business model.

    They did. And when they dropped the ball, like every time they've dropped the ball, they've acknowledged it immediately, begun the process of fixing it, and attempted to make the customer whole with significant free content and/or a refund. In other words, exactly what a normal healthy company in any other sector does in response to a screwup.

    Firaxis has dropped the ball in a similar, less obvious manner, and hasn't even taken the time to acknowledge it. Exactly what a crummy company does in response to a screw up.

    Anyway, I'm done here.
     
  9. JoxerNL

    JoxerNL Warlord

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    Actually this is incorrect, as is the link you provided there.

    The following are free :
    Zaeed - The Price of revenge
    http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Zaeed_-_The_Price_of_Revenge

    Normandy Crash Site
    http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Normandy_Crash_Site

    Cerberus Weapon and Armor
    http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Cerberus_Weapon_and_Armor

    Arc projector
    http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Arc_Projector

    Firewalker Pack
    http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Firewalker_Pack

    So next time please just do some "proper" research instead of just copy pasting the marketplace link.
    These DLC's are for free on the "Cerberus Network" and thus dont show up on the web-based marketplace, so that's 5 free DLC's vs 7 Paid DLC's, i think this constitutes the term "a tonne of free DLC's" nicely.
     
  10. Camikaze

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    These maps were a bonus part of the pre-order deal, correct? That seems a fairly good reason to charge for them. There would be a riot if they'd given them out for free, with some having already paid for them. I wouldn't think this is necessarily an indicator of what the policy with be with regards to DLC.
     
  11. JoxerNL

    JoxerNL Warlord

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    Which pre-order to be precise?
    I have mesopotamia and babylon, digital deluxe pre-ordered.
    Why haven't i recieved them yet then?

    This whole thing smells of cheating on Firaxis's side.
    I bett they are going to call that the ones who supposedly had gotten the map pack, are going to be told that the mappack was just mesopotamia.
    Expecting us to buy the others for $2.99 each.

    Watch my words it's going to happen.
     
  12. Clement

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    I caved in and got Babylon, but in any Civ game i play i want a random map to explore, i honestly can't understand why anyone would want a fixed one.
     
  13. Rokklagið

    Rokklagið Chieftain

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    This reminded me that I've had the Mediterranean map key for months. Just activated today.
     
  14. katipunero

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    no one can claim any exclusive rights to maps based on real life geography.
     
  15. Gartheras

    Gartheras Chieftain

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    Cerberus Network has price of 1200 bioware/microsoft points. Buying "free" dlc ftw, ofcourse the real purpose of the so called "free" dlc is to discourage people buying used copies of the game. Not very impressive dlc eather and Zaeed & Normandy were available pretty much from release = read: cut content from the game turned under registration. Was pretty much same with Dragon Age too, atleast don't think that this time there were any npcs asking your credit card info though.

    And to stay on topic, yah those map packs are rather pathetic.
     
  16. bonafide11

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    I was hoping the DLC was going to be something that actually added fun to the game. I could care less about map packs. This is Civ, not Call of Duty.
     
  17. Horizons

    Horizons Needing fed again!

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    DLC is what killed video games for me ...

    Just as mandatory subscription fees to read website content will kill the internet in time ....
     
  18. zulu9812

    zulu9812 The Newbie Nightmare

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    haha, wow. I'm not even outraged by it. I honestly don't understand why people would ever buy those for any price, but that's just because the randomly generated new world to explore is 90% or more of the appeal of civ games to me, so playing on a premade map doesn't even make sense as far as I'm concerned, but I guess others may feel differently.

    Still, I have a feeling that 80% or more of the people who buy it will be people who didn't realize that yes, really, all they're getting is a map, and people who just buy it to buy it. It's kind of disappointing to know they'll do enough of those sales to justify doing this, but ah well.

    For 3 dollars I'd maybe buy an interesting mod/scenario, like the viking or mongol invasion mods in civ IV, but a map is just lol-worthy to me. Again, it's of so little interest to me that they could sell it for a penny or $100, either way I still would be too busy laughing to be offended.
     
  20. SuperJay

    SuperJay Bending Space and Time

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    I think that's the target for these DLC map packs - the players who just got into the game and/or aren't aware that Civ has a huge, active fan community that produces content like this for free. The folks who only got the game via Steam and haven't played previous incarnations (or if they have, very casually), or who just don't feel like searching for the content online and figuring out how to install it. For a lot of people, it might be worth $3.00 USD just to click a button and have the map show up in-game. (Assuming that's how it happens, hehe.)

    Either way, I'm not gonna get mad at Firaxis or anything; this content was already available for the sucker prize--I mean pre-order bonuses, so it's not much of a shock that they're now making those assets available for purchase to all players. I don't personally plan on spending $3 to $5 for maps and additional civs until the game is patched to the point where I can play it without falling asleep, though.
     

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