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New gods and kings civ formula

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by tofofnts, Apr 6, 2012.

  1. tofofnts

    tofofnts Chieftain

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    Hello, I have seen a lot of threads on this site that were trying to guess what civs should be added in the xpack. I decided to write a formula that calculates, not the most likely but the best civilizations to add.
    Note: AGE means at greatest extent
    Code:
    [SIZE="5"](D*MB)/((C+2)/PC)*(CH+2)[/SIZE]
    D: Duration, time in years that the civ existed for
    MB: Modern bonus, to account for the fact that civilizations that exist today won't magically disappear tomorrow it is equal to:
    1: if civ does not exist in any form
    1.33: if civ exists as a different country that is related to the original civ
    1.67: if civ exists as the same country but with a different type of government
    2: if civ exists in the same form (not the same land, just the same type of government, de facto same country) that it was AGE
    C: number of current civs on the same continent
    PC: modern population of continent in billions
    CH: UNESCO heritage sites in civ AGE


    Average score (use this as a reference for what's a "good" or "bad" civ): 1128 (w/o China or Rome)
    Now in order of points
    30. Texas: 5.6
    29. New Zealand: 18
    28. Zulu Empire: 49
    27. Yugoslavia: 82
    26. Australia: 100
    25. Polynesian Empire: 117
    24. Minoan Crete: 215
    23. Finland: 225
    22. Songhai: 389
    21. Great Zimbabwe: 395
    20. Canada: 429:cry:
    19. Inuit Empire: 464
    18. South Africa: 527
    17. Argentina: 561
    16. Tibet: 649
    15. Mapuche: 757
    14. Mali: 889
    13. Brazil: 983
    12. Kongo: 1,122
    11. Serbia:1137
    10. USA: 1,369
    9. Sweden: 1662
    8. Dutch Empire: 2,007
    7. Denmark: 2154
    6. Poland: 2,689
    5. Mayan Empire: 3,321
    4. Hungary: 3499
    3. Holy Roman Empire: 6300
    2. Rome: 17,514
    1. China: 57,861

     
  2. tofofnts

    tofofnts Chieftain

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    feel free to add anything, the formula is still need improvement
     
  3. Nyanko

    Nyanko Chieftain

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    So for Australia;
    22,000,000 x 111 x 2 x 1.00
    0/0.022​
    which equals...

    infinity!
    Problem with the math there.
     
  4. tofofnts

    tofofnts Chieftain

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    Good point, edited
     
  5. tofofnts

    tofofnts Chieftain

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    I decided to test it on 2 civs we already know are in the game.

    Dutch: 15,680,000,000
    Mayan: 5,148,000,000

    I think the formula overrates having populous colonies and underrates culture, but I am impressed that the values of 2 very different empires are so close to eachother
     
  6. Gucumatz

    Gucumatz JS, secretly Rod Serling

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    Population would be hard though. Several civs dont have any truly accurate population numbers at peaks.

    The Maya are a good example of this because the estimates of populations are limited to a few cities and many cities don't have accurate population estimates. This probably goes with other civs as well (i.e. Huns, etc.)
    Edit: Nvm read OP wrong

    And its an interesting formula for sure... I calculated the Maya and got closer to 6 billion but still. Its harder to measure variables like culture, romantization, architecture, etc.

    Edit2: Yep thanks for that typo find.
     
  7. tofofnts

    tofofnts Chieftain

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    I hope you mean 6 billion otherwise there's a big problem in my formula
    I totally agree with the second part, I think that this might help for culture, architecture etc.. but I'm not sure if I should put it in yet, there might be a better way
     
  8. Nyanko

    Nyanko Chieftain

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    Lets try Australia again

    22,000,000 x 111 x 2 x 1.00
    2/0.022​

    = 56,724,000

    Is that good or bad?
     
  9. Gucumatz

    Gucumatz JS, secretly Rod Serling

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    Fairly bad.
     
  10. tofofnts

    tofofnts Chieftain

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    The reason I am hesitant to add the UNESCO world heritage sites is that it would count sites that were built before/after the civilization existed. I want a 3rd party opinion please.

    UNESCO heritage sites added to formula, yes or no?
     
  11. Beefie

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    As it's as good as an approximation we have so far for a culture value, I'd say go for it.
    Nice idea with the formula!
     
  12. tofofnts

    tofofnts Chieftain

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    Thank you, will add it.
     
  13. tofofnts

    tofofnts Chieftain

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    revised dutch empire: 2007
    revised mayan empire: 3321
    revised polynesian empire: 59
    YAY!!!! UNESCO heritage sites per capita works perfectly, showing that thanks to their significant culture the mayans are not 1/3 as important as the dutch but in fact 1.5x more important. I also am very glad that it gives me figures in the thousands not in the ten billions.
     
  14. Pouakai

    Pouakai It belongs in a museum. Moderator

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    What we should do is work out the figures for all existing civilizations thus far, when compared to those in later DLC. I think the flaw here is civilizations like Polynesia which are fairly ambiguous.
     
  15. Louis XXIV

    Louis XXIV Le Roi Soleil

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    Polynesia will likely score low. Although, imo, they are towards the bottom of qualifying anyway. I do think, ultimately, an objective test will fail to include every possible factor. Polynesia has monuments, but they also had intangible achievements that I think factored into their inclusion.
     
  16. tofofnts

    tofofnts Chieftain

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    Actually I have a feeling they will score very high, not because of a fault in the formula, but because UNESCO added a bazillion heritage sites to polynesia. They seem biased to small island countries
    EDIT: they got 59 which is terrible
     
  17. tofofnts

    tofofnts Chieftain

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    Just as I guessed, Polynesia has 9 heritage sites for a pop. of 6,274,742. will calculate points soon

    EDIT: they only scored 59 which is quite low
     
  18. tofofnts

    tofofnts Chieftain

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    actually I was wrong Polynesia score is pathetic

    59
     
  19. crawf0rd

    crawf0rd The One and Only

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    (P*D*MB)/((C+2)/PC)*(CH+1/P) for america would be
    ((311,000,000)*(236)*(2)/((3+2)/.528720588)*((21+1)/311,000,000)
    Their score is 1098.
    ((110,000,000 + 81,799,600 + 38,186,860 + 45,888,000) * 700) / (9 / .739165030) * (4 / (110,000,000 + 81,799,600 + 38,186,860 + 45,888,000)) for the Huns
    Their score is 230.
    (34,804,000 * 86) / (6 / .528720588) * (16 / 34,804,000) for Canada
    Their score is 121.
    (50,586,757 * 55) / (4 / 1) * (2 / 50,586,757) for Zululand
    Their score is 27.5.
    So much fun!
     
  20. Gucumatz

    Gucumatz JS, secretly Rod Serling

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    America's isnt bad. Huns is pretty bad. This formula is working fairly well.
     

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