1. We have added the ability to collapse/expand forum categories and widgets on forum home.
    Dismiss Notice
  2. Photobucket has changed its policy concerning hotlinking images and now requires an account with a $399.00 annual fee to allow hotlink. More information is available at: this link.
    Dismiss Notice
  3. All Civ avatars are brought back and available for selection in the Avatar Gallery! There are 945 avatars total.
    Dismiss Notice
  4. To make the site more secure, we have installed SSL certificates and enabled HTTPS for both the main site and forums.
    Dismiss Notice
  5. Civ6 is released! Order now! (Amazon US | Amazon UK | Amazon CA | Amazon DE | Amazon FR)
    Dismiss Notice
  6. Dismiss Notice
  7. Forum account upgrades are available for ad-free browsing.
    Dismiss Notice

New Leaders (art, personalities, diplomacy texts)

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Diplomacy II' started by The Capo, Mar 14, 2010.

  1. veBear

    veBear Slumerican Citizen

    Joined:
    Nov 9, 2008
    Messages:
    2,612
    Location:
    Norway
    Scrap them for now, but include it in a module, that's what i say.
     
  2. The Almighty dF

    The Almighty dF Pharaoh

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2007
    Messages:
    2,252
    Location:
    dFland
    Problem with that is that only the leaders in that module would have the trait.
    Adding a modular civ/leader pack with its own new trait just seems... silly. Either add a trait to the base game, or don't.
     
  3. veBear

    veBear Slumerican Citizen

    Joined:
    Nov 9, 2008
    Messages:
    2,612
    Location:
    Norway
    What i mean here is that with the module, other LH's could also get it, such as Temujin and Sitting Bull.
     
  4. AbsintheRed

    AbsintheRed Chieftain

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2009
    Messages:
    7,909
    Location:
    Szeged, Hungary
    I would also vote for adding it. I think there were a few quite good ideas for bonuses.


    EDIT: These were the ideas that came up, more than enough to choose from
    • -50% maintenance cost from distance of cities
    • +50-100% gold from pillaging OR free looting promotion (mounted, melee) - altough there is no looting promotion in Diplomacy yet
    • increased mobility or withdrawal chance for some unit types, maybe with flanking promotion (mounted, naval)
    • reduced war weariness - about 20-25% sounds good to me
    • +1 happiness per stable OR DPS for them

    EDIT2: This seems quite a warmonger's trait, as it should be in the first place.
    The only thing what is important if we choose to add Nomadic to Diplomacy II, to go with reasonably generic bonuses (not just all mounted everywhere), so it would suit more leaders
     
  5. The Capo

    The Capo godless Heathen

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2001
    Messages:
    9,299
    Location:
    Washington, DC
    Well I'd like to get some comments on the Seafaring and Nationalistic traits posted so we can get Xyth to start working on them. As far as Nomadic goes, I am willing to add it, but let's try to streamline it first. That list Absinthe posted is fine with me, but we should definitely cut it down, so let's start cutting it down. I don't really know where to go on this, so if others could chime in that'd be good.
     
  6. AbsintheRed

    AbsintheRed Chieftain

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2009
    Messages:
    7,909
    Location:
    Szeged, Hungary
    Alright, this is your last suggestion:

    I'm basically statisfied with these.
    Only a few small things I would consider:

    For Seafaring I would drop DPS of Lighthouse. It's not really connected to seafaring/trading in the game, because of the +1 food it provides.
    Of course in reality it would be very cool for seafaring, but in Civ I would leave this bonus to Expansive
    Also, I was considering DPS of Market because of the increased trade (so we would get another bonus which is good for all cities, not just coastal ones), but if everyone else is against this, drop it too...
    For the free promotion to explorers and scouts I would go with Mobility and Sentry. Not big promotions, but very useful for them, especially combined

    For Nationalistic I'm sure you thought +1 happy and +1 culture per National Wonder in city built only, but wanted to point out that it's missing from there.
    Also, a very cool addon would be a free promotion for spies, further encouraging the players to use them more
     
  7. The Capo

    The Capo godless Heathen

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2001
    Messages:
    9,299
    Location:
    Washington, DC
    I'll remove Lighthouse, but not market, I think that goes a bit too far. Although I could be swayed to add it. No other civic DPs it right?

    Remind me what sentry does, and if it is fine I'll add it. I was thinking March would be good too.

    Definitely, sorry about that.

    We could do that when the spy promotions come into play. I was thinking of giving them the "Loyalty" promotion anyway, where they never reveal their nationality.

    Okay, awesome. In the next post I'll revise the list, we're ALMOST finished with these two, and if we get Nomadic sorted out I can get Xyth (or someone else if he is unwilling) to get these coded and ready to go.
     
  8. The Capo

    The Capo godless Heathen

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2001
    Messages:
    9,299
    Location:
    Washington, DC
    Okay, revised traits with what I like for Nomadic included:

    Seafaring/Enterprising (I'm starting to like Seafaring more again):
    • +1 Movement for all naval units
    • DP of Harbor, Customs House and Dry Dock
    • Free Mobility and Sentry Promotions for Scouts/Explorers
    • +1 Trade Route in every city

    Nationalistic:
    • +1 Happiness +1 Culture per NW in city built
    • +2 Espionage Points in all cities
    • Double Production Speed of Jail, Mind Control Center, Intelligence Agency, Security Bureau
    • Minimal wait times between revolutions

    Nomadic:
    • -50% Maintenence cost from distance from capital
    • Free looting promotion (we'll add it) for melee and mounted units
    • +1 Happiness from Stables OR -25/50% War Weariness OR All units ignore terrain movement costs
     
  9. Vortilex

    Vortilex Imperator Mundi

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2007
    Messages:
    1,457
    Location:
    St. Augustine, FL
    Hmm, I'm torn between -50% War Weariness and All units ignore terrain movement costs.
     
  10. MadmanOfALeader

    MadmanOfALeader Chieftain

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2008
    Messages:
    2,487
    How do you like this for Menelik?

    <TEXT>
    <Tag>AI_DIPLO_FIRST_CONTACT_LEADER_MENELIK_1</Tag>
    <English>Welcome to [OUR_CIV_SHORT], stranger! I have heard of your advanced people. Would you like to share your findings with the [OUR_CIV_ADJ] people? Or you just here to wage your wars of imperalism just like everybody who's walked through the door?</English>
    </TEXT>
    <TEXT>
    <Tag>AI_DIPLO_REFUSE_TO_TALK_LEADER_MENELIK_1</Tag>
    <English>Take your imperialistic aspirations elsewhere!</English>
    </TEXT>
    <TEXT>
    <Tag>AI_DIPLO_NO_PEACE_LEADER_MENELIK_1</Tag>
    <English>You wish for [OUR_CIV_SHORT] to surrender? Well, so does everybody else!</English>
    </TEXT>
    <TEXT>
    <Tag>AI_DIPLO_GREETINGS_ATT_FR_LEADER_MENELIK_1</Tag>
    <English>[CT_NAME] is here again! What new and modern technologies do you bring to [OUR_CIV_SHORT]?</English>
    </TEXT>
    <TEXT>
    <Tag>AI_DIPLO_GREETINGS_ATT_FUR_LEADER_MENELIK_1 </Tag>
    <English>And you call US primitive peoples... well, now that [CT_NAME] is here, I suppose I can grin and bear it.</English>
    </TEXT>
    <TEXT>
    <Tag>AI_DIPLO_DEMAND_TRIBUTE_POWER_WEAKER_MENELIK_ 1</Tag>
    <English>Could you please give us something to help all our starving children? Please, think of the starving children...</English>
    </TEXT>
    <TEXT>
    <Tag>AI_DIPLO_DEMAND_TRIBUTE_POWER_EQUAL_MENELIK_1 </Tag>
    <English>Surely you want to help us become a modern nation, don't you, [CT_NAME]?</English>
    </TEXT>
    <TEXT>
    <Tag>AI_DIPLO_DEMAND_TRIBUTE_POWER_STRONGER_MENELIK_1</Tag>
    <English>Give this to me, [CT_NAME]. If I could defeat more modern armies than mine, then your civ is a piece of cake.</English>
    </TEXT>
     
  11. Vortilex

    Vortilex Imperator Mundi

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2007
    Messages:
    1,457
    Location:
    St. Augustine, FL
    I can make German and Spanish versions of those (the grammar may be a bit off though)
     
  12. MadmanOfALeader

    MadmanOfALeader Chieftain

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2008
    Messages:
    2,487
    Knock yoursef out, however, remember that the Spanish used in civ is a bit old fashioned and Peninsular.
     
  13. Vortilex

    Vortilex Imperator Mundi

    Joined:
    Oct 6, 2007
    Messages:
    1,457
    Location:
    St. Augustine, FL
    yeah, I've always wondered why they keep saying "vosotros" but then, in Peru we don't even use that except in Church.
     
  14. AbsintheRed

    AbsintheRed Chieftain

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2009
    Messages:
    7,909
    Location:
    Szeged, Hungary
    Yeah, none of the traits have DPS of Market so far. I would vote for it, but not entirely sure it's the best solution.
    So, even if we do add, we have to test this out very carefully.
    I'm starting to worry that Seafaring will be a little overpowered on coastal starts if it has this extra bonus as well

    Sentry adds +1 line of sight. Perfect for Explorers and Scouts

    Cool, I like that very much
     
  15. The Almighty dF

    The Almighty dF Pharaoh

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2007
    Messages:
    2,252
    Location:
    dFland
    I'll agree to these.
    I'm still not a fan of the +1 TR, but I can see I'm in the minority. I just ask that the name be kept to Seafaring rather than Enterprising.
    Nationalistic and Nomadic are -great-.

    So... these three have my vote.
    Once we've agreed on them, we should start talking about leaders that need them.

    Off the top of my head, here's my recommendations
    For nationalistic:
    Mahmoud Ahmadenijad (Nat/Cha or Nat/Ind)
    Mao Zedong (Nat/Org)
    Stalin (Nat/Ind)
    Hitler (Nat/Agg)
    Peron (Nat/???)
    Franco (Nat/Cha or... since he attempted at least... Nat/Fin.)
    Hirohito (Nat/Imp)

    For nomadic:
    Genghis (Nom/Exp)
    Crazy Horse (Nom/Agg)
    Hiawatha (Nom/Phi)
    Logan (Nom/Spi)
    Pachacuti (Nom/Imp If anyone deserves this combo, it's him. The Incan Empire that he founded is so... odd, in formation.)
    Shaka (Nom/Agg)

    Seafaring:
    Joao (Sea/Exp)
    Victoria (Sea/Imp)
    Dido (Sea/Fin)
    Harald (Sea/Cha)
    Henry the Navigator (Sea/Org ...Oh god he's a scientologist.)
    Kamehameha (Sea/Prot)
    Maurits van Nassau (Sea/Agg)
    Salamasina (Sea/Cre)



    Or my suggestions as a whole (bold means I'm suggesting a change)
    * Abu Bakr (Arabia) - Spiritual/Imperialist
    * Konrad Adenauer (Germany) - Spiritual/Organized
    * Afonso Henriques (Portugal) - Protective/Expansive
    * Ahuitzotl (Aztecs) - Imperialist/Charismatic
    * Amenhotep III (Egypt) - Industrious/Charismatic
    * Mustafa Kemal Ataturk (Turkey) - Protective/Charismatic
    * Basil II (Byzantium) - Aggressive/Expansive
    * David Ben-Gurion (Israel) - Industrious/Protective
    * Canute the Great (Vikings) - Aggressive/Seafaring
    * Cetshwayo kaMpande (Zululand) - Aggressive/Organized
    * Charles V (Spain) - Organized/Financial
    * Empress Dowager Cixi (China) - Protective/Organized
    * Chandragupta Maurya (India) - Expansive/Imperialist
    * Cleomenes of Sparta (Greece) - Aggressive/Protective
    * Clovis I (Franks) - Organized/Imperialist
    * Constantine (Byzantium) - Spiritual/Organized
    * Crazy Horse (Sioux) - Nomadic/Aggressive
    * David (Israel) - Spiritual/Creative
    * Dido (Carthage) - Seafaring/Financial
    * Francisco Franco (Spain) - Nationalistic/Charismatic
    * Harald Hardrada (Vikings) - Seafaring/Charismatic
    * Henry the Navigator (Portugal) - Seafaring/Organized
    * Henry VIII (England) - Organized/Creative
    * Hiawatha (Iroquois) - Nomadic/Philosophical
    * Hirohito (Japan) - Imperialist/Nationalistic
    * Adolf Hitler (Germany) - Aggressive/Nationalistic
    * Itzcoatl (Aztecs) - Industrious/Expansive
    * Ivan the Terrible (Russia) - Protective/Expansive
    * Jayavarman VII (Khmer) - Imperialist/Spiritual
    * Jingu (Japan) - Organized/Expansive
    * Johan deWitt (Netherlands) - Philosophical/Financial
    * Joshua (Israel) - Spiritual/Aggressive
    * Kamehameha (Polynesia) - Seafaring/Protective
    * Kim Jong-il (Korea) - Aggressive/Organized
    * Lalibela (Ethiopia) - Industrious/Spiritual
    * Logan (Iroquois) - Nomadic/Spiritual
    * Marcus Aurelius (Rome) - Philosophical/Imperialist
    * Maurits van Nassau (Netherlands) - Aggressive/Seafaring
    * Meiji (Japan) - Industrious/Organized
    * Menelik II (Ethiopia) - Ind/Cha
    * Ho Chi Minh (Vietnam) - Philosophical/Organized
    * Gamal Abdel Nasser (Arabia) - Industrious/Charismatic
    * Nebuchadnezzar (Babylon) - Industrious/Imperialist
    * Jawaharlal Nehru (India) - Philosophical/Charismatic
    * Ogedei Khan (Mongolia) - Charismatic/Industrious
    * Pachacuti (Inca) - Nomadic/Imperialist
    * Philip II (Spain) - Seafaring/Imperialist
    * Pol Pot (Khmer) - Protective/Aggressive
    * Ptolemy Soter (Egypt) - Philosophical/Protective
    * Pyrrhus of Epirus (Greece) - Imperialist/Charismatic
    * Ronald W. Reagan (America) - Charismatic/Financial
    * Cardinal Richelieu (France) - Spiritual/Charismatic
    * Salamasina (Polynesia) - Seafaring/Creative
    * Sargon of Akkad (Sumeria) - Aggressive/Spiritual
    * Scipio Africanus (Rome) - Expansive/Charismatic
    * Sejong (Korea) - Creative/Philosophical
    * Haile Selassie (Ethiopia) - Spiritual/Philosophical
    * Smoke Jaguar (Maya) - Industrious/Aggressive
    * Solomon (Israel) - Philosophical/Expansive
    * Sundiata Keita (Mali) - Organized/Charismatic
    * Tang Taizong (China) - Financial/Imperialist
    * Trung Sisters (Vietnam) - Charismatic/Protective
    * Vercingetorix (Celts) - Charismatic/Organized
    * Xerxes (Persia) - Imperialist/Industrious
    * Lady Xoc (Maya) - Spiritual/Charismatic
     
  16. AbsintheRed

    AbsintheRed Chieftain

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2009
    Messages:
    7,909
    Location:
    Szeged, Hungary
    I would also consider adding Nationalistic to Kim Jong-il, Pinochet, Mobutu, and Tito

    EDIT: maybe even to Pol Pot and Theodora
     
  17. The Almighty dF

    The Almighty dF Pharaoh

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2007
    Messages:
    2,252
    Location:
    dFland
    Agreed.
    Kim Jong-Il would probably be Nat/Cre (The man kidnapped a director and forced him to make a knockoff of Gojira, funny little crazy guy.)

    Mobutu... Nat/Org. Pinochet... hrm. I'm not sure waht to put for Pinochet, Tito, and Theodora.

    Pol Pot probably deserves Phi/Nat.
     
  18. AbsintheRed

    AbsintheRed Chieftain

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2009
    Messages:
    7,909
    Location:
    Szeged, Hungary
    For Seafaring, I agree with all 8 who you wrote before (maybe Elizabeth instead of Victoria, I'm not sure on this one)
    I was also thinking of Charles V or Philip II (Spain needs a Seafaring leader), Suryvarman (instead of his expansive trait), Canute and Hiram
     
  19. The Almighty dF

    The Almighty dF Pharaoh

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2007
    Messages:
    2,252
    Location:
    dFland
    I changed Canute and Phillip in my bigger list, left 'em out of the smaller list by mistake.
    I'm not sure about Sury, as I'm already happy with Exp/Cre.
    Charles V I could go either way on.
     
  20. AbsintheRed

    AbsintheRed Chieftain

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2009
    Messages:
    7,909
    Location:
    Szeged, Hungary
    Don't forget Hiram
    And maybe even Johan de Witt can go as a Seafaring leader
     

Share This Page