New NESes, ideas, development, etc

[zxcvbnm]

The idea would be simply an election in the beginning, detailed on a week-to-week basis and all the more or less crazy pseudo-American systems. If it becomes popular it could be extended to politics after the elections.

So is anyone interested? (in playing/modding [I have the ideas and could run 1/5 of it but the rest needs someone who knows how to mod])

 

[sp1023]

As a NES concept gets cooler, the difficulty of modding it increases - at least as far as I can tell. Regarding nice NES ideas, I'd definitely play in a zombie survival type NES where the players are individual characters. I remember Luckymoose bringing that idea up awhile back.

Regarding a NES for you to mod, sp1023, I'd suggest something simple and conventional, without too many nations. It'd be good experience for you to get, if you want to mod something better in the future.

Ok.

I have been pondering the best way to do that NES. My first draft of the rules wouldn't work like I planned.

@Sp1023: You first NES should be an earth fresh start with limited nations using simple rules. If you want to see how best not to mod a NES. Look here. LuckNES: Cradle to the Grave. Just DO NOT POST IN IT.

What was wrong with it? It was a little boring, true, but the set up and stats and everything were fine.

I was going to do a fresh start NES, I really was. But Jason the King already started one, and his is far better than mine would ever be, so I was somewhat intimidated.

 

[das]

Technically it has always been the norm for there to be many fresh starts at the same time, especially since there are many possible approaches to it.

 

[sp1023]

Hmmm. Like? Jason has one, Feuro has one, Honzas sorta has one, I think there are more. Are GeneNES and SporeNES considered fresh starts?

 

[das]

Out of all those, only Jason's really counts as a traditional fresh start; honzas_cz's is with a twist and Feanor's is medieval.

 

[Supermath]

Has an ElectionNES been made? Players would be presidential candidates trying to win, there'd be parties, states and different voter groups (like the US but not exactly same) with all kinds of different interests and the players would try to get money and staff for their campaigns, and they could be used to all kinds of actions RL candidates can do (+ some which they could but usually won't, like bribery etc.)

I've been thinking about trying to do something like that, but the trouble is that as time goes by, there will be less and less players playing as parties lose out.

 

[North King]

Just pick one that will have a low number of countries (sub20) with a restricted map and simple rules.

Anything else WILL fail as a first time mod.

Bullcrap.

We have counterexamples currently modding in this frigging forum. Don't make grandiose proclamations of what has and hasn't worked unless you're willing to do your research, because (believe it or not) some people have been here long enough that they will know when you are making things up about the past.

Has an ElectionNES been made? Players would be presidential candidates trying to win, there'd be parties, states and different voter groups (like the US but not exactly same) with all kinds of different interests and the players would try to get money and staff for their campaigns, and they could be used to all kinds of actions RL candidates can do (+ some which they could but usually won't, like bribery etc.)

Yes. Mine, for example. It fell apart because of me, I think I recall, but part of that was because I found people's party concepts to be very stupid. It turned from different NES into do-whatever-you-want NES.

Technically it has always been the norm for there to be many fresh starts at the same time, especially since there are many possible approaches to it.

Yes.

 

[Abaddon]

Bullcrap.

We have counterexamples currently modding in this frigging forum. Don't make grandiose proclamations of what has and hasn't worked unless you're willing to do your research, because (believe it or not) some people have been here long enough that they will know when you are making things up about the past.

For SP it ISNT Bull crap. I don't give a fig about your elitist little rant, sure anything is possible with time, but it is incredibly rare for a newbie to start a NES that actually survives any lenght of time, thus I was telling him what I see as the most viable chance of his nes working.

 

[das]

Not really, no.

 

[Chandrasekhar]

I have been pondering the best way to do that NES. My first draft of the rules wouldn't work like I planned.

If you wouldn't mind, I could write up some of my thoughts on the issue and send them to you. If I weren't really busy with ChaNES and real life stuff, I'd want to mod such a thing myself.

 

[Lord_Iggy]

What I was thinking is that it could be we are like Civ Leaders, Highlander style. We control nations, and we can't be killed unless in combat. People would have to consent to dieing, but even if they don't, they can get injured.

You get power through posts per day, but you can draw on your total post count (though you'd have to suffer some sort of consequence)

Sounds inteesting...

Actually, I have one other idea. What about an NES where players are a European power exploring the (different from OTL) new world. The map would be revealed as it is explored. There would be natives, but they would be NPC'd.

(As you can probably tell, I like to throw ideas at the wall until they stick.)

I've actually made a map for that... I'm not sure if I still have it though.

Has an ElectionNES been made? Players would be presidential candidates trying to win, there'd be parties, states and different voter groups (like the US but not exactly same) with all kinds of different interests and the players would try to get money and staff for their campaigns, and they could be used to all kinds of actions RL candidates can do (+ some which they could but usually won't, like bribery etc.)

It's been done, though I didn't participate.

For SP it ISNT Bull crap. I don't give a fig about your elitist little rant, sure anything is possible with time, but it is incredibly rare for a newbie to start a NES that actually survives any lenght of time, thus I was telling him what I see as the most viable chance of his nes working.

*waves*

 

[LittleBoots]

Yes. Mine, for example. It fell apart because of me, I think I recall, but part of that was because I found people's party concepts to be very stupid. It turned from different NES into do-whatever-you-want NES.

Sadly. That one had potential, but it was getting a little erratic.

For SP it ISNT Bull crap. I don't give a fig about your elitist little rant, sure anything is possible with time, but it is incredibly rare for a newbie to start a NES that actually survives any lenght of time, thus I was telling him what I see as the most viable chance of his nes working.

Abby, I think you might be a little touched in the head. You are rather quick to leap to the assumption that everyone around you is an elitist. I would include a rant against the misconceptions moderns have about elitism, but I've already done that today and I promised I would only do that once a day.

In any case, the more important issue is that the ONLY thing NK said that could possibly be construed as elitist is that he has been here long enough to know when you spout BS. Well, that happens to be true. What you said was:

Anything else WILL fail as a first time mod.

Now, I suppose this is ambiguous enough so that you could have really meant just for sp's purposes, but you must admit it sure does sound like a general/universal statement. Taken as a universal statement, it is, in fact, bullcrap. There are plenty of examples to the contrary (for instance, Iggy, or TNESI: The Glorious Mysteries).

However, I do think your advice to sp1023 was probably right in his particular case.

EDIT: This is all horribly off-topic though, so we should probably not discuss it any further here.

 

[sp1023]

North King, have you come up with a better background story?

 

[Abaddon]

*waves*

Yes, an you are famous for it.. why? because it is rare, only a handful of perhaps (by now) hundreds of first time mod's NES have worked?

 

[das]

You seem to be forgetting that everyone had to start somewhere; we all had to be first-time moderators once, and yet we used all kinds of overambitious scenarios, and it worked out well for at least a half of us (Iggy is only notable because he jumped in extremely early in his NESing career - well, that and the fact that his NESes proved so durable; but also please remember Niklas). Now, I understand having low expectations for sp1023, but there is no need to extend that to everyone else. Besides, I'm sure that even he could manage it. It's not that difficult, and he seems to have lots of free time, which is valuable.

 

[flyingchicken]

Burn the witch!

Witch-hunting NES: Players develop their backwater forest towns to be finely-tuned witch-hunting machines. Rile up the mindless masses with incredible speeches about the evils of witchcraft, bring death to thousands of maybe-innocent maybe-freethinking women out to destabilize society! Just be careful though: be "too good" and your current generation might end up having no women to breed the sheep!

/random

 

[Terrance888]

If only I have paint and interest... then PreCharlNES:??? can take off but NOOOOOO.... Only Joakim and someothers posted. Many more made fun. At least this isn't happening to Sp1023... people give him more respect then what I used to get... then they were trashing the thread with ideas...

 

[flyingchicken]

It's probably because he writes more intelligibly than you.

 

[sp1023]

That, and the fact that I am devoting a lot of my time to it, which I am sure all mods do. Also, this is my 1st attempt in which I actually have the stats and map. I've made other attempts before, none worth mentioning.

 

[North King]

For SP it ISNT Bull crap.

...next sentence...

I don't give a fig about your elitist little rant,

...right, then.