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New Official Version - June 19th (6-19)

Discussion in 'Community Patch Project' started by Gazebo, Jun 19, 2020.

  1. tu_79

    tu_79 Deity

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    If you don't give a free settler to Authority, you can't devote all your resources to your army and still hope to grab some strategics. It needs it.
     
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  2. Zanteogo

    Zanteogo King

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    I disagree. The point of authority is to use your army as an active tool. This means burning down neighbor cities or even just out right keeping them.

    It's the same with progress for example. People are complaining that it's need a unit bonus to stay competive. That not the point of progress. Each starting policy group needs a strength and a weakness. Else what's the point of choice?

    Also, there is nothing stopping people from mixing policies from multiple trees to adjust for what is occurring in their game world.
     
  3. Gazebo

    Gazebo Lord of the Community Patch Supporter

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    It is intended that you can't inquisit a non-majority city.
     
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  4. Gazebo

    Gazebo Lord of the Community Patch Supporter

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    And yes, I'm doing fine - I had intended to do catch-up last weekend but my cold compounded into a double ear infection, which is not great for...anything. Feeling better now. Praise medicine!


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  5. tu_79

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    So it's not a virus which is holding back VP but a bacteria...
     
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  6. BiteInTheMark

    BiteInTheMark Emperor

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    It was actually a chancery, not a council, and no.... I didnt have any chancery in any of my cities. Simply got yields and CS alliance for free.
     
  7. BiteInTheMark

    BiteInTheMark Emperor

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    Simply.... why? This makes no sense.... I can purge other religions if the city has my or other religion, but not, if it has no major religion? Why making it so complicated with extra rules?
     
  8. stii

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    Is there a way to convert a city that has a mix of religions then?

    I conquered a size 10 city and it was something like 3/2/2/2/1. So I can't use an inquistor to flip it but a missionary doesn't really work either as each spread is converting less than one person. It isn't a huge issue but it is a bit weird that I can convert cities from civs that have a strong faith but a city from a civ who didn't found is often almost impossible to convert.
     
  9. CppMaster

    CppMaster Emperor

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    Great prophet, lots of missionaries or pressure from other cities.
     
  10. Stalker0

    Stalker0 Baller Magnus

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    Oh just throwing out that I like where Earth Mother is at now. Its a tough found, but a doable one on Emperor with the right terrain...and the culture bonus is pretty solid.
     
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  11. pineappledan

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    I had a king game where I built Stonehenge and went earth mother (copper monopoly) and failed to found. The last religion was on turn 116. Earth mother is probably possible, but I found it too weak on faith. Even a single source of iron revealed later probably would have saved me, but it just wasn’t in the cards.

    stone henge but no religion is a reroll.
     
  12. CppMaster

    CppMaster Emperor

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    My current game as Emperor I also went for Stonehenge and Earth Mother pantheon (gold monopoly) and I had no problem founding, even when I build monument -> shrine in every city. I found 2nd as Germany, after India. The difference might be that I use just VP, while you probably use your 3&4UC mod mod and maybe some other mod mods that affects balance? Do you play on Standard speed?
    Why? Isn't Stonehenge mostly for pantheon? Why is no religion with Stonehenge so worse than no religion without it?
     
  13. CrazyG

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    You can also get a pantheon from just a shrine, which costs a lot less to build than Stonehenge.
     
  14. Rosie McCattail

    Rosie McCattail Chieftain

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    Might I just report that while with the second patch the game crashes at turn 8 or something, reverting the game to the first patch caused Bismark to forget Realpolitik and switch to Furer Teutonics (from vanilla?), even though on game setup screen he had Realpolitik and the game crashed when I tried to start a playthorough the second time after not believing my eyes on the load screen (wanted to check if the trait has been swapped, it hasn't, but to do that had to exit).
     
  15. CppMaster

    CppMaster Emperor

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    Stonehenge gives a free council, 1 engineer point and a pantheon earlier. Is building a Stonehenge instead of shrine that expensive in production that it's worth a reroll if you don't get a religion 80 turns later?
     
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  16. CrazyG

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    Stonehenge is a pretty bad wonder if you don't going for a religion. 150 hammers that early is a big deal. I personally don't reroll very often, but I can understand how it's frustrating to miss a religion after investing so much into one.
     
  17. stii

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    Yeah it is a huge early game investment. If you think you are missing a reasonable amount of the time it isn't worth it at all.

    Reroll or not depends what you are trying to achieve but missing does suggest you need to pick a different pantheon if your goal is win as many games as possible.
     
  18. Rosie McCattail

    Rosie McCattail Chieftain

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    I've tried to roll back to the release version of the CP with all the bonuses but my saves won't load now, I'm getting CTDs. Can I get any advice on troubleshooting?

    Upd: is there by any chance a discord server for CP?
     
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  19. vyyt

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    Have you deleted the cache between the updates? This could theoretically help you with reverting. I suppose you did not fiddle with any extra mods in between the updates?
     
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  20. JamesNinelives

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    I wouldn't mind a minor buff to Earth Mother. I don't think Earth Mother is terrible, but it's not quite as strong as the top-performing pantheons at the moment. That said, I'd like to see minor changes to a number of pantheons - Renewal and Hunt could both use a little more faith (even at the cost of other yields), and I think Nature deserves more yields somewhere.

    Getting a religion after building Stonehenge is high-probablility but not 100%. Certainly building Stonehenge is a big deal, but other factors like religious civ vs. non-religious civ, early religious city states, and faith from ruins can all contribute to unexpected success/failure.
     

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