New SG: Tark1

[Shevek]

Originally posted by TedJackson
The link has a "mailto" prefix so you probably want to change that
Ted

Thanks Ted, is changed now.
I must have hit the wrong button.

BTW
I ran the save through MapStat.
(What a clever little tool, I am impressed, especially since it is SOOO simple to use).

That's the result:
Landmass - 316 tiles required to domination
Population - 255 pop required

There are 693 unclaimed tiles left (Carthage has 1273 tiles).
So in theory that means we would not even need to take on big bully boy.
But then again, where is the fun with chickening out

Have fun.

 

[TedJackson]

Pre-flight checks... OK

Military
Cav 29 67
Inf 37 25
Tank 71 52
MI 87 400
Arty 107 69
Miss 3 0
Bomb 0 28
Fight 0 42

Culture
I'm surprised they haven't won yet! The slope is in our favour though

Pre-Turn
Switch all Mil builds to Arty (400 MI to take out + Civil Defence I'm sure)
Research 50% (Synth Fibres in 7 turns @ +8gpt)

Press button...
New builds either Arty or culture/research

1 - 1580AD
Road/rail for settlers
Fortify new units near Bejing
Turn on mood control - too long to check each city each turn
Garrison New Anyang 2 & Hurry Cathedral - Rubber city under pressure from Hindana by the looks of it

2 - 1585AD
Rail/road...

3 - 1590AD
New Shanghai 4 founded - Lib
New Canton 4 founded - Lib
Rail/road...
I think our best shot for victory is now a Spaceship launch. I switch all cities producing over 20 shields to research or wealth
Sell Gems to Carthage for 100gpt - try to kepp 'em sweet

4 - 1595AD
Road & rail...

5 - 1600AD
Rail & road...

6 - 1605AD
Road & rail..
Up research to 60% (1 turn @ -15gpt )

IBT
Discover Synth Fibres - Space Flight

7 - 1610AD
Road & rail...
Research 70% (6 turns @-127gpt)

8 - 1615AD
Road & rail...

9 - 1620AD
Road & rail...
New Nanking founded - Lib
Research 60% (still 4 turns but @ +72gpt)

10 - 1625AD
Road & rail...
Research 50& (still 3 turns @ +244gpt)

Notes
I didn't fancy our chances against Carthage without a signicant military buildup. Then, halfway through my turn I thought "Why not build a Spaceship?"
So that's what I started to do. I switched most builds to research/commerce/culture.
Spaceflight is due in 3 turns.
I have Workers roading every possible working tile. There are still a few on automove that I didn't manage to catch during my turns.

The save is > here <


Ted

 

[Shevek]

Originally posted by TedJackson
I didn't fancy our chances against Carthage without a signicant military buildup. Then, halfway through my turn I thought "Why not build a Spaceship?"
Ted

Will we have enough time to do so with Carthage approaching possible culture win? It would be a bummer to have sweet victory slip through our fingers now.
But I do see your point though. Carthage is just soo strong.

The only chance I saw with domination was to declare war ourself and use our first turn to get as many tiles as possible. But I am not sure if we could have managed 300 tiles in the very first turn.

 

[TedJackson]

Originally posted by Shevek
Will we have enough time to do so with Carthage approaching possible culture win?

Our culture is increasing with respect to Carthage

When I first looked at the Culture graph I thought we'd lost already, but we're definitely pulling back.

I thought Carthage's defenses were too strong to take anything but the isolated towns on the first turn of war. And I really didn't hold out much hope of surviving the counterattack

It really seems to be a detente situation which I hope will work in our favour.


Ted

 

[Yndy]

Roster:
- Betazed <- on the bench
-Yndy
-Shevek
-TedJackson <- just played
-Tarkeel <- up

This was one of the things I wanted to check but forgot. IIRC, Carthage had 5 times our culture. We might be closer now but I don't think we have more than half their culture yet. So if they hit 100k before we hit 50k, they win.

I'm at work now but maybe one of you can check out culture and approximate Carhage's. Space could be good but

-Chartage might attack us anytime.

I'm not sure about this but I'm not against it either. Just continue the efforts towards domination anyway so that if a war brokes out and we can still go towards domination.

 

[TedJackson]

Sorry if I didn't make it clear but I was still working toward domination but thought we might get a shot at the Spaceship without fighting Carthage.


Ted

 

[Tarkeel]

Got it and will play it tomorrow

 

[Tarkeel]

Tark1
Turn 0: 1625 AD
I don't even recognize the map...

Start off by rushing temples around to expand culture.

Turn 1: 1630 AD
Irrigate and road, found 2 cities

Turn 2: 1635 AD
More roading

Turn 3: 1640 AD
Discover Spaceflight, start nuclear power at 50% (240gpt)
Start Apollo Program in Beijing
Yangchow 2 flips, but Carthage doesn't want it! Never seen that before
Global Warming helps jungle clearing.
Found 2 cities
Rush somemore temples

Turn 4: 1645 AD
More roads and irrigation
Found 1 city

Turn 5: 1650 AD
More roads and irrigation
We have a crapload of Carthages units in our territory.
We are past the tiles needed, but need 163 more pop.
Start some prebuilds for space parts

Turn 6: 1655 AD
More roads etc

IBT:

Our final score: 6092
Carthage: 9627

 

[betazed]

Call it hindsight or anything else. But this is exactly what I was worried about and said so earlier.

Gawd! I hate to be right everytime!

 

[TedJackson]

Oh for a version of Apollo that works with PTW


Ted

 

[Shevek]

Oh well.
I think we still did really well considering the map. Carthages early advantage was just too big.

Even though we did not win I enjoyed this game a lot. This was my first SG to finish and I feel encouraged to try the next one soon.
I learnt a lot from all of you (eg research in deity, the power of massed artillery) and am quite sure my overall play has improved quite a bit.

So don't cry. It was lots of fun.
Thanks all.

 

[Yndy]

I'm sorry to see we failed this one. We were not the most suitable crowd for this game but we did not know its details.

I think this game could have been won although not easy. Still a little recap of what we did achieve:
- survived the Ancient Age without any single resource and being the weakest of the AI;
-survived the Medieval Ages again without a single resource and under constant threat from our neigbors;
-Managed to capture key locations from an AI 3 times bigger than us and a bunch of techs ahead (Babylon);
-Imposed our de facto domination with the advent of tanks and destroyed all civilizations but one;
-Managed to handle the entire game without having built a single great wonder;
-Avoided a Diplomatic victory by keeping the AIs fighting;
-Avoided a Space Ship victory buy holding key resources;
-Got very close to domination.

PS: When my computer hang 20 turns before we lost, Chartage sneak attacked us and razed some 48 undefended cities before the game stuck. I waited 2 hours for another unit to move and actually they did move, one unit every 45 minutes.
I asked Moonsinger to end the turn for me but Carthage did not attack the second time and they did not attack Shevek either.

Cheers,

 

[Tarkeel]

Yeah, I was impressed by the catchup from medievel to modern ages, that was very impressive.

Was a rather fun game all in all (in the time I played it).

 

[TedJackson]

Anyone want to go back to the "Fork" and play the aternative game?


Ted

 

[Shevek]

What 'fork' do you mean??
But in general, going back and replaying part of the game with the outcome of one set of decicion already known, is maybe better done on one's own.

Even though we lost I think we fought valiantly and should leave it there.