New Turkey (and related nations) News

oh my , the F-24 has kinda started hurting people . Or , will those people ever learn ?

the issue being the speed it is coming together . Trolls or whatever of the company claim it is about 3 times as fast as the Western companies do business these days . Causes a certain amount hate , if one might be allowed to paint it in such a way . Can't is the usual response , even if there has been the brave soul who asked it on that very web forum that has banned me thrice . Of the sabotages and stuff .

like contrary to what people would like to hear , the "resistance" centred mainly on its availability as an insult to the country . Factory lot , working as if "wartime" , think they might get away with it if it was flown on the 100th Anniversary of the Republic , if there were no A-K-P illuminaries on the podium or whatever that thing is called as it overflew the parade , due to election results . There are American officers who claim to have flown "lesser" versions of completely different outermold and stuff in the 1990s afterall . People of course claim software is ever more integrated and important and backbreaking these days but the F-24G is totally integrated , even if it will be some other name with the quite indigineous stuff the factory will fit in due course . Might indeed get a name instead of jumping so many letters to F-24T .

as for blaming r16 , people are wrong to assume there is no resistance after it got proper engines . Like there will be some huge test fleet and the first squadron might end up with the proper engines and suddenly it will be a waste of time to make it smaller to fix Rolls Royce ones , to be developed on Turkish money to cause the project become too expensive so that we would have to buy British ... that former artillery spotter known as Tempest . Wait until Washington tries to make it so that we would buy Falcons from Lockmart , them 16 Block70s , to see resistance ...


so , like , the denizens of some other webforum , don't worry , they still know it better than you .


like these people are regularly prodded to prove that they respect average idiots , for a reason they regularly fail to fathom . They are so ready to say they press the beautiful ignore button to take care of the illiterate . As one editor , like famous for being an actual Lockmart sales person , goes behind the scenes for a systematic pruning of a Russian guy and his posts , that would no doubt cast aspersions on the competance of Lockmart . Uh , we can't have that , can we ? While ı will agree the Russian guy has made much more noticeable waves by deleting his own posts in the style ı had tried many years ago and nobody had commented on mine , let it be known the same guy waited for some months before banning me on his own forum , during the time Lockmart got the US Navy to fail with the conformal tanks on the F-18 , so that Germany would buy the F-35 ...
 
Ukraine War Makes Unexpected Winner of Turkey’s Erdogan
The leader’s closeness with Putin bolsters his international influence
BY JARED MALSIN AND ELVAN KIVILCIM

ANKARA, Turkey—Russia’s invasion of Ukraine one year ago unleashed global economic turmoil. In Turkey, it has proved an unexpected windfall for President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
The Turkish leader has managed to make himself indispensable to all sides of the conflict, a position that is reaping economic rewards that have helped ease the Turkish state’s financial troubles. The turnaround has bolstered his position ahead of a national election that could cement his position as Turkey’s most powerful ruler in nearly a century.

Under his watch Turkey has profited by selling lethal drones to Ukraine that mowed down Russian troops in the early days of the invasion. Mr. Erdogan is also one of the few world leaders who speaks regularly with Russian President Vladimir Putin, which has put him in the middle of diplomatic efforts on prisoner exchanges and vital food exports. Partly to evade Western sanctions, Russian oligarchs are pouring money into Turkey. The war has given Turkey new leverage over the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. For months, Mr. Erdogan has threatened to prevent Finland and Sweden from joining the mutual-defense bloc. Now the U.S. is hoping to use the sale of a fleet of new F-16 jet fighters to prod him to approve an expansion of the alliance.

Modern Turkey, like its predecessors, has long wrestled with its category-shattering place at the intersection of Europe, Asia and the Middle East. For Mr. Erdogan, his unique relationships with Europe and Russia cap two decades of efforts to transform Turkey into a power with a global military and diplomatic reach. “We decided, you know, we should be the power brokers,” said Ilnur Cevik, a senior foreign- policy adviser to the Turkish president, referring to discussions among Turkish officials last spring after Russia’s initial assault on Kyiv failed. “Everybody felt this is our moment.” Mr. Erdogan’s office didn’t respond to a request for comment.

Imperial presidency
Mr. Erdogan has reshaped Turkey since he rose from a hardscrabble neighborhood of Istanbul to become the city’s mayor in the 1990s and then prime minister in 2003 and president in 2014. Once celebrated for an economic boom that lifted millions into middle class, he has gradually become more authoritarian, replacing Turkey’s parliamentary system with one commanded by an imperial presidency in a 2017 referendum. Turkey became one of the world’s leading jailers of journalists. Since he survived a deadly military coup attempt in 2016, Turkish authorities have also jailed a former presidential candidate from a pro-Kurdish party and prominent civil society leaders. The Russian invasion came when Mr. Erdogan was at one of the weakest points of his 20-year tenure. Isolated abroad and facing growing discontent at home over an economic crisis that wiped more than half the value off the Turkish currency, he saw his poll numbers plummet.

The first sign of a turnaround came in the war’s opening weeks, when Turkishmade Bayraktar TB-2 drones blew up Russian military convoys and helped Ukraine turn back the Kremlin’s initial attack on Kyiv. Footage of the drone strikes became a symbol of Ukrainian resistance. “They wanted to invade us with force, and we took offense at these orcs. Russian bandits are made into ghosts by Bayraktar!” goes one song inspired by the strikes. The drones provided an instant boost for Turkey’s international standing, which had waned in recent years. Members of the U.S. Congress who had otherwise been critical of Turkey’s human rights record called on Ankara to send more drones to Ukraine.

Though the financial benefits to Turkey are marginal because the drones, made by a private company, cost only about $5 million each, the TB-2s have buoyed the Turkish arms industry in general. When Russia’s initial attempt to seize Kyiv failed, Turkish officials sensed an opportunity. In the presidential palace in Ankara, officials said they realized Turkey could become an intermediary between Russia, Ukraine and the West. Since that pivotal time, Mr. Erdogan has leveraged his role as a diplomatic player. Speaking with Mr. Putin as much as several times a month, he has urged Russia to accept peace talks but also helped to ease the Kremlin’s isolation and soften the sanctions’ blow.

Frequent talks
He also speaks frequently with Ukraine’s Volodymyr Zelensky, visiting Ukraine in a show of support weeks before the invasion and again in August, earning the trust of Ukrainian officials. This put the Turkish president in a position to broker some of the only diplomatic breakthroughs of the entire war including a deal to reopen Ukraine’s Black Sea ports for grain exports and exchanges of Russian and Ukrainian prisoners. Mr. Erdogan’s relationship with Mr. Putin shows both have a keen grasp of realpolitik. Although Turkey and Russia are important trading partners, they are also historic adversaries, fighting a series of proxy wars in recent years. Apart from drones, Turkey has also sold armored vehicles to Ukraine, blocked Russian warships from entering the Black Sea and denied the Russian military access to Turkish airspace for flights from Syria.

Yet Mr. Putin has found his counterpart useful to his larger strategic goals, say people who have watched the relationship evolve. Chronic friction between Turkey and the other NATO members played into the Russian leader’s desire to weaken the bloc.
Mr. Putin, a leading opponent of Western-style democracy, appears to see a fellow traveler in Mr. Erdogan, according to former Turkish officials and close observers of their relationship. Mr. Putin has established nearly complete control over the Russian state, aborting the country’s transition to democracy. “Putin wants to create a club of authoritarian leaders. He likes this,” said Aydin Sezgin, a former Turkish ambassador to Moscow and now opposition member of parliament. Turkish officials reject the notion Mr. Erdogan is an autocrat, pointing out the country has a functioning opposition and fiercely contested elections. But they agree that Mr. Putin values his relationship with the Turkish leader. Former senior Turkish diplomats say Mr. Putin and Mr. Erdogan often compartmentalize frictions between the two countries. “It’s a kind of trust relationship. They built this over the years. And thus Putin, as far as I can see, sees Erdogan as an asset in Turkey,” said Mr. Cevik.

Mr. Putin’s willingness to withhold judgment of Turkey’s human rights record is a key to the warm relationship between them, those familiar with their relationship say. As Turkey’s hopes of joining the European Union collapsed in recent years amid the erosion of the rule of law in Turkey, Mr. Putin stepped in, lending a more accepting ear. “Putin does not much criticize, whereas some of our Western friends have directly criticized the president,” said Huseyin Dirioz, a retired Turk-ish diplomat who served as ambassador to Moscow. Mr. Erdogan’s threat to veto Finland’s and Sweden’s entrance to NATO shows how his balancing act plays out. Accusing the two of harboring Kurdish militants, Mr. Erdogan pressed his demands for weeks. A preliminary agreement led Sweden to amend its constitution to strengthen counterterrorism laws and deport two suspects to Turkey.

The agreement also helped Mr. Erdogan secure a meeting he had long sought with President Biden, who as a presidential candidate said the U.S. should back Mr. Erdogan’s electoral opponents.
The Turkish government is still holding out for more concessions. The Biden administration, hoping to prod Turkey to approve NATO expansion, sent a proposed $20 billion sale of F-16 warplanes to Congress in January.
Analysts say Mr. Erdogan may have already gotten what he wanted: leverage over Western leaders and an opportunity to play on nationalist sentiments within Turkey while appearing to stand up against Europe during the coming election season. The president’s hard-line stance against Sweden in particular has broad support among the Turkish public. “Everything is focused on the elections. Every single step that he takes is aimed to capitalize on any opportunity that is available.” said Yasar Yakis, a former Turkish foreign minister and onetime member of Mr. Erdogan’s party.


A Turkish-made Bayraktar TB-2 drone awaits delivery to Ukraine at an air base in Lithuania. INTS KALNINS/ REUTERS

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan attends a meeting of the Justice and Development Party, or AKP, in Ankara. ADEM ALTAN/ AGENCE FRANCE- PRESSE/ GETTY IMAGES

Mr. Erdogan’s poll numbers have ticked up since the beginning of the Ukraine war,, bouncing back from a low he reached at the peak of Turkey’s economic crisis just before the invasion. Polls showed Mr. Erdogan’s ruling party alliance raising its vote share in a hypothetical national election to 44.7% in November from 39.9% in January 2022, according to Turkish political consulting firm MetroPOLL Still, Mr. Erdogan can’t take a victory for granted. In 2019, the opposition won mayoral elections in the two largest cities, Istanbul and Ankara. Opposition parties plan to post observers throughout the country in May. Growing economic ties with Russia represent a bright spot for Mr. Erdogan. Turkey’s exports to Russia increased by 45% last year, with Turkey stepping in to sell goods Russians could no longer import from the West, including iron, household appliances and electronics and vehicle parts needed for the military. That has raised alarms in Washing-ton and other Western capitals about Turkey’s failure to enforce sanctions.

Cash transfusions
Turkish officials say the country only enforces sanctions imposed by the United Nations Security Council, not those imposed by countries like the U.S. The Turkish foreign ministry also says it doesn’t condone attempts to evade sanctions on Russia.
Russia has reciprocated with transfusions of foreign currency that Turkey badly needs to fund a policy of defending its currency which has been in steep decline since a series of interest rate cuts in 2021 and 2022. In July, Russia transferred $5 billion to Turkey for the continuing construction of a nuclear power plant. Russia was expected to send another $10 billion for the plant later on, Turkey’s state news agency said. Russia is also considering a possible postponement of up to $20 billion in payments for Turkey’s natural-gas imports, the Turkish energy minister said last month. Those funds could help cover the more than $100 billion in foreign currency the central bank spent last year to prop up the lira, according to economists.

“Putin is openly supporting Erdogan to get re-elected,” said Soli Ozel, a political analyst and senior lecturer at Kadir Has University in Istanbul. “For Putin to have Erdogan as a fifth column in NATO is important.” Elections aside, Mr. Erdogan is winning foreign support for his diplomatic efforts. Mr. Putin’s deal with Ukraine and the U.N. unblocked Ukrainian ports for grain exports, bringing down global food prices and helping to ease a surge in world hunger caused in part by the war. The deal also set up U.N. efforts to facilitate the export of Russian food and fertilizer products.

The June signing ceremony, in a converted Ottoman palace in Istanbul, was the apotheosis of Mr. Erdogan’s vision of himself as a power broker. There the Turkish leader sat, in a vast stone room, at a grand table with a white tablecloth, flanked by Russia’s defense minister, a Ukrainian minister and U.N. Secretary-General António Guterres, who singled out Mr. Erdogan for praise. The world had come to him.
‘We decided, you know, we should be the powerbrokers,’ said an Erdogan aide.
 
My thoughts and prayers go out to the people affected by the massive earthquakes in Turkey and Syria last night. More than 3000 buildings have collapsed and the total death toll so far is above 2000. Such sad news.
 
coming in multiple parts .


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01)this is the Municipality of Adıyaman . The Yellow thing in the middle is an advertising object of a telephone company . ı don't know what it was originally pointing at . ı don't think the image is manipulated , look carefully at the right and you can possibly see a second object of the same style . ı am quite confident nobody is conceiveably laughing these days in that town .

02)the only person to laugh was the Governor of the province . He laughed at the civilians asking for help .

03)a rule of thumb kind of guess was that some 194 000 people were buried under the rubble . Nobody has offered a correction or a different number yet and people on the web use that as a yardstick .

04)the casualties will probably be more than the official deaths of the 1999 earthquake at 17000+ . Might be more than the unofficial 40 000 plus . People of course are talking about more . Nobody will give me a medal or anything when ı repeat the rumours of 6 digits anyhow .

05)the situation was so bad that the PM was seen on each of the first 3 days .

06)anything good is only due to A-K-P , anything bad comes from Allah . Whenever and whereever they can't blame traitors .

07)some West Point graduate gets to remember all kinds of black lies , all kinds of propaganda invented by CENTCOM against the Turks , after personal exposure in 2010s .

08)when something bad happens , the PM does not appear in the media . Maybe some low level official , maybe a Governor announces it . A day passes , things cool down . Another day and the PM appears and talks statesmanly and everything is going to get better . If it is not solved already .

09)a short press briefing on the first day .
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10)the now famous Kubrick gaze or the Kubrick stare on the second .

11)looking somewhat down at the audience . After the reports that kept on coming from the web that "help" was not getting into the disaster era . Makes people to consider the PM as a judge that will try them for their criminal actions .

12)said as much . That records were being kept and a day would come . With non-stop comparisions to that movie ...

13)with Nathalie . ı have it on expert opinion that she looks better with the hair . Have never liked that movie anyhow . There was this DVD channel that showed movies all the time . Commented on CFC that ı had seen it and like the channel went poof in due course .

14)third day saw the PM on a visit to the area . Naturally the Opposition kept talking about theatrical acts , jammers jamming phones which then disrupted the rescue efforts , that the PM's convoy delayed trucks with aid material on board and so on .

15)what you have to understand is that rescue stuff is big concern for New Turkey . The 99 earthquake with the failure in rescue efforts of the day and the economic crisis it greatly helped to usher was instrumental in the rise of A-K-P .

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16)"the crash of the State ... The State which is present and ready whereever it is not needed can not help the people struggling in the disaster of the eathquake" says this stalwart of the New Turkey media on August 19th , 1999 .

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17)while this one says the August 17th, 1999 earthquake happened on 3.02 in the morning and the Prime Minister of the time learned it only at 9.00 in the morning and yet the PM was already with the people , sharing their meager rations and stuff as a proper Man of the People . Do not get confused with the heavy coats , this is no doubt about an aftershock and stuff at November of the same year .

18)the 99 quake destroyed the Republic , made New Turkey .

19)the ease of which makes it absolutely certain that New Turkey will be rescuing people after all sorts of disasters with wild abandon , leaving nothing to chance , with no doubts or doubters whatsoever .

20)it is on record somewhere that the PM boasted after some mining accident last year that New Turkey always reached the dead miners with commendable speed while the Republic would not even try to bring the bodies out . Getting anyone alive depends on multiple issues , with Allah as the Final Arbiter of All when it doesn't work out . But the dead will be found .

21)naturally in a mine where everything indicated the disaster was just around the corner because any preventive measure cuts into the profits

22)even when it was a State owned mine

23)because they have to break production records and beat the Republic again and again while making just a little money as a bonus

24)which makes it poignant or whatever that the 500 strong mine rescue team based at the coal mines of Zonguldak and stuff could not get a priority in getting planes to move to the earthquake zone . They joined construction workers (hundreds of them) or school teachers (with more hundreds of them) . All volunteers to go South , with school teachers coming forward as schools were given an extra week of holiday due to the quake

25)during the first day and night there were no flights anyhow . From the PM's airport in Istanbul at least . Weather conditions . Heavy winds , some snow .

26)a thing to remember is that A-K-P serves the Nation better than anyone in concrete fields unlike arts and whatnot and whatever and like roads which are visibly open in all conditions . Yet , it is always the worst ever weather in the annals , never seen before , if you can't travel on them . A day before the quake , the bride's family and relatives at my nephew's wedding could not go to Ankara and had to turn back for Istanbul to take the plane .

27)oh , we are going to talk about the roads . As they were the first thing to come up in the morning ...

28)you see , the 99 earthquake was massive and a temporary tax was imposed to match the needs of the devastation . It became stuck , a lot of money was collected and at every new tremor the Opposition would ask what was being done with the money . Finally after so many years A-K-P proudly said they had built roads with it . Tax money was tax money , it made no difference where it was finally used .

29)you see , there was a donation campaign for those who had suffered in the name of New Turkey during the Disgrace of July 15th and that money remained in undeclared bank accounts for a full 3 and a half years . Until forced out onto the open by the Opposition . When "Muslims" grab some bank notes , they won't give it up , even for their militants and supporters who had braved bullets in their name .

30)as such , the road building was just transfering money to pro AKP companies without much regard to the final quality and whatnot . Some 38,4 billion dollars , some of it might have been used in other forms of wealth transfer ...
 
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@r16 , I read an article where it was claimed that some of the almost racists and other panturanists fear (sic) a real event manifestation of an old war-game exercise, the Millennium Challenge 2002.
Is this just sensationalism or were such fears expressed by the wise panturanists and company? :)
 
my , you are rushing it . Will be here tomorrow or on Sunday , depending on how fast ı will be writing them .
 
I am just asking if such claims were made on tv, because the article states so (seemed way too bizarre, so thought to ask :S )
Btw, I didn't inquire if you were well, since you are sort of very far away from the epicenter, no one would die in Prousa which is basically a country away from Stan and the Syrian border.
 
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I'm glad you are alive and able to post as well as do whatever you can in your community. :)
 
31)so , when ı woke up on that morning and checked the echo chamber for news and ignored the earthquake threads entirely because these people always start threads for the tiniest tremor as it is a matter of honour to be the first in stuff , the thing to catch my eye was this ...

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32)a road built by one of the "gang of five" , a construction company in the global top 10 with regards to Goverment issued contracts . The five are all in the global top ten .

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33)and a road under construction in Germany . To be fair this is obviously an Autobahn and highways in this country (probably) are built in the same way .

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34)this is no doubt what comes to your mind . Got it from Tumblr actually . Shows a major road between provinces . As ı came to my senses , during the course of waking up for real , ı was imagining this would be all over the country side ; combined with heavy snow ...

35)you know , considering all the reports that there were entire cities that people could actually not reach at all .

36)two of them foremost , Adıyaman and Antakya .

37)this of course forces us to talk about acronyms . First of them AFAD

38)a Goverment thing that deals with save and rescue , emergency services , the whole lot after natural disasters and the like .

39)ı actually imagine "the disaster" in Arabic or Persian would be phonetically so close to it , considering there is this word "afet" . Which is no longer a woman's name in Turkish , too .

40)and the need to know what came before Afad , AKUT , which means acute in English .

41)a group of civilian volunteers that gained prominence in the bleak days of the 1999 disaster . Rubble here , rubble there , you can't accept those were once houses and there they are , a group of people working hard , trying to save some life , an old guy or a baby girl , each of them a miracle , at least for the relatives and neighbours who really cheer when the earthquake victim is finally out and is being rushed away to an ambulance ...

42)and that was awesomely damaging to the State .

43)and most beneficial to the Islamists who would indeed benefit the most , just a few years later . Because the TVs soon learned to tag along Akut . Because they were the specialists and they could make a difference .

44)and they were generally mountaineers who had to learn the basic stuff for self preservation and build up on that on the basis of why not . So that in case of need , they too could help .

45)and those "thrill seeking rich kids" justifiably became famous , a part of what was right for the country , because it was 'ing obvious that the disaster intervention abilities of the State was not robust enough .

46)it also helped the leader of Akut had this Ottoman sounding name . When the Republic was under attack from all quarters and the lack of response during the 99 earthquake and its aftershocks made it acceptable and unavoidable that something had to be done and the EU sneaked in with the idea of membership and stuff , Akut became the exact thing that "Democracy" would offer to this country .

47)a perfect example of civilians who had no need for a "paternal Army" to protect them from modern life .

48)oh , do not grab the pop-corn yet . The leader was simply some guy who was mostly busy climbing the highest mountains of the world . It will get better later .

49)and Democracy came to this country . And now there was Afad , established in 2009 . Disasters would happen in the country ; though all the limelight would be on Afad . Lack of response had brought Democracy to the country , Afad would gain and control the response . Mountain climbers are like all bearded , because it is cold up there , not because they are the Taliban ... They would not be good enough .

50)no earthquake would , could ever bring down the Advanced Democracy of New Turkey , All Hail 1984 .

51)of course any Afad member down to to the lowliest janitor or clerk in some office is doing far more than fat short bald r16 to save people and ease their suffering . They were doing more before the quake , they will be doing more before the next quake .

52)and of course no Akut member is talking much on it .

53)ı can't remember whether their leader in 1999 was discovered to be a closet Jew , because any "enemy" of New Turkey tends to be one but he was still found guilty of embezzling money or something and forced out . Or not . Who knows ? Who can tell ?

54)some 900 of them are out in the field these days and ı don't expect for any of them to appear on TV to divulge whether it is true ...

55)that Afad steals their saves ...

56)or once stopped Akut's work in an house where there were people alive buried under so that they could remove the dead under the next door ...

57)yeah , Germans are definitely reported to be angry with Afad over a previous earthquake in Izmir where they were just about to remove a victim when Afad arrived with a bevy of TV cameras and threw the German team out , so that they could be filmed while saving the victim .

58)while at this one , it is the Romanians with a serious case of anger . They naturally flew in , raring to go , because saving a human life is supposedly some great experience that justifies all the effort and time invested to realize that . Not only people of your country but of the entire world . Even when they were your enemies yesterday and will be your enemies tomorrow but today you are only brothers because they too would have come to save you . If it had happened to you . Naturally after the Romanian team made it to a town with supposedly no contact with the world , they were directed to a exhibition pavillions area , where there was absolutely no one to save .

59)it is of course impossible to verify claims that Afad saves A-K-P members first , concentrating the search effort at known adresses . These might be lies in the first place . Considering they come from the leader of the future Nazis they are most probably lies . Would be an outright , unjustified insult to Afad rank and file , too , most of whom would be just doing their duty as human beings .

60)but the truth is this . Afad exists to remove any threat to the prestige of New Turkey in case of disasters . To prevent Akut or something like it outshining the matchlessly heroic efforts of New Turkey . Only it can be visible during the rescue efforts . That's why it has caused the deaths of people who might have been saved and only Allah Knows how many .

and yes , it is really happening . Unless the TV presenter who said that on live TV can be forced to recant .
 
61)the guy shares the name of the poet who wrote the words to our National Anthem , don't know if he is actually a descendant . But he has been bold enough to say things while appearing not to say them .

62)media otherwise is natural . ı understand there has been an earthquake in some other country which is not Syria . And TVs cover this other country nonstop and things are like clockwork over there

63)while all we have here are claims that TV people stop the interviews right away if wrong things are said . Inevitably involving the girl who says her sister is still under the rubble but there is no one to help .

64)that's why the guy at 60 and 61 had to take such a risk . Some woman in the same network with him just turned her back to the girl in 63 and the fury is brewing or something . The channel has been doing that balancing act for a while now .

65)of course this also kinda explains what happened to Twitter . Musk naturally offered his Starlinks . It was naturally rejected . The flow of information must be controlled and stopped alltogether if necessary . Who would want snitches ratting to the Western media with depictions of doom ?

66)accordingly Twitter was actually closed down for about 4 hours because it had failed to pay old taxes or some compensation after some court case or whatever . ı imagine it involves deletion of dangerous lies .

67)the Opposition harps that it sabotages the rescue efforts . Because Party voters are more likely to be fans of Zuckerberg's because it might not be cool today to use it as Fecebook as per standart r16 stuff while the Opposition would love the "elán" , the eliteness of pre-Elon Twitter . And now that Party is rightly or wrongly believed to be not keen on saving random people , Twitter was where things were being organized .

68)though it is like more about the fury . Some picture from a book written in 1582 , depicting a demon in the service of a bigger one with "money eyes" is going to be a lot more famous .

69)this is why there was a general alert about the internet . Slowing down somewhat .

70)as the people of Malatya in 01 attacked the cars of a secretary for urban affairs in the palace cabinet . And the Governor in 02 ...

71)rebellion is bad . People getting away with the act of rebelling is worse . People apparently rebelling against the Party in a town that voted 70% for the Party in the last election is simply more worse .

72)ı was confused for a while . Actually two days or so . That cities were cut out as mentioned in 36 ...

73)one can understand Antakya . A lot of Alevis . And an object of desire of our Syrian brothers . As the Republic like stole it from Syria in 1938 .

74)yeah , ı have read the first rumours that there will be no permits for re-construction to drive the population away .

75)not just for gifting the province away but all those construction projects in the West of the country have to be sold . People need money , right ?

76)which made Adıyaman perfectly odd . Thought it was a fight between congregations . Who have the field wide open after the Congregation was driven out . The Adıyaman based congregation is the most visible after capturing what would have the Health Ministry in the Republic . Maybe it was a case of making them suffer ? Or maybe it was a case of making them stronger with ensuring they were the only ones to deliver aid to the Province ?

77)the heathen of course were all ready to mention how their sheik once talked to the earthquake and convinced it to go away without shaking the ground . Or ask questions whether they were delivering soup to all the town because apparently angels sent to their kitchens are making more soup as soon as some is taken from the pots .

78)and of course the ever famous ... The Grim Reaper takes the sheik's assistant and he catches the Archangel and slaps Azrael ... Azrael is in tears and rushes to Allah to complain that the sheik brought his aide back and Allah tells Azrael to shut up , they are not equals or anything .

79)and naturally the people of Adıyaman , contrary to the expectations in the West of the country , are happy with the cold . Because their dead under the rubble will decompose slower . So that they can be buried with a little more dignity .

80)the secretary in 70 was another source of my confusion . On the first day he spoke in Gaziantep , promising to fix things real quick . And making no mention of other provinces . Maybe they were punishing Adıyaman for being the center of gravity for ISIL before and after the latter's very visible break with New Turkey ?

81)would explain why it was in the news that the mosque of that congregation was destroyed . That congregation was not actually liked by Allah because their mosque was taken out ..?

82)which naturally does not compute with reports that the very same congregation has already been given Afad to infiltrate and conquer and take over ...

83)so , maybe it was this "swing state" concept ? Adıyaman would keep voting for the Party . Antakya might not . But Gaziantep was maybe in the balance and as a bonus , there were more Syrians under the rubble in Gaziantep ?

84)future Nazis have a god given opportunity , concentrating on Syrians .

85)looting , shooting at the Police and the Army , stabbing at least one Afad member trying to stop the looting . Afad members are of course far more likely to be speaking Arabic . Trying to talk sense , you know .

86)and while the most shiny examples of stuff involve "ordinary citizens" of this country , like the guy who found an Afad jacket to claim he was an official and made 3 trucks/trailer trucks/18 wheelers/whatever to stop at his storage place and unload the aid materials so that he could sell them in the blackmarket . Incidentally this makes him the star in one of the first examples of a new genre of videos . Police beating looters .

87)making this a new experience for both sides . Police in New Turkey is utterly famous for beating opponents of the/any regime in abundant amounts and stuff but ...

88)it was becoming untolerable . So , the Syrians , specifically in Hatay , are getting to see they are being singled out . For some reason .

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89)the looters are arrested one by one , this one says ...

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90)while this one says nothing . ı think they are the same set of people . Have no idea whether they did anything for real , why ı count 8 in one and 9 in the other . Still the idea that their order has been changed and one guy at this end (apparently) goes to the middle in this first picture gives the impression that these people are shown in various combinations to imply a lot of success . This was a known trick in the country before New Turkey , to be honest ...
 
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and a brief note to the city nearby . ı did not invent a new kind of weapon which has no equal in the world . The reason more Americans are in the city is not their attempt to buy it . Do not follow me , do not follow them .

shots have been fired on Syrians .

getting Army of Petrol and the Police of New Turkey into a race to prove which one of them protects New Turkey more from Syrian looters .

this is a thing America does not want to blow up in the natural tendencies of New Turkey . That's why they are using you to get it heard that they value "diplomatic contacts" . Now that nobody lets me hear what they have been offering and whatnot . They are perfectly capable to creating incidents on their own , dear home team ... Whom ı respect utmostly like because am 50 and too tired to mess with them already .

like why the fans of the football team of the big city nearby suddenly felt an urge to prove who is more patriotic and wrote what's an essentially party slogan on aid boxes sent to earthquake victims . Have no doubts that they were sent to Diyarbakır intentionally as a preparation for future days . For what , ı don't know , am not that smart ! But yeah , good to hear that the Goverment for some reason is arranging a Peace treaty with fans of Beşiktaş and fans of the city club .

also stuff like getting people to act as messengers to nip something in the bud , possibly the Russian balloon campaign against America . Which has already sunk Blinken's trip to Beijing . Cuts down the impression that the Chinese are American allies and Russians in Siberia stop daring to resist .

for mundane stuff like Russians have got more Western chips in 2022 than ever , Washington is naturally advised to tell Ankara to stop buying them for Moscow . Don't know why this is supposed to be a concern of mine .
 

should have written another 30 , but like my fingers hurt .

don't have much German but ı will assume this says the Austrian Army search and rescue team will keep on working after some schutz or escort or whatever was provided by the Army of Petrol . This 82 strong unit was working until it reported armed groups were dictating them where to work .

yes , the Israeli team arrived first , no doubt involving geography and stuff , on 8 planes , 50 specialists , 100 nurses and some little stress on 150 soldiers . A bodyguard for each , considering this is THE Middle East and stuff .
 
Fascinating, r16, absolutely fascinating.

Take care of yourself, brother. Glad you made it through.
 
91)so , what's the deal ? Future Nazis , of course . They hold a grenade ...

92)meant as a divisive thing to wreck the Oppostion within to enable A-K-P win again and the trends were already pointing out that there might be no more elections ever after the ones in this year .

93)in any normal country , this year's elections would have been foregone . In any normal country A-K-P would no longer exist by 2018 . In any normal country ... yeah , anyhow .

94)what you are looking is an assurance that if things appear to go real pear shaped , a so called Nationalist uprising will happen . Which will be immediately betrayed so that people would enjoy the violence as an ultimate extreme sport , a reality show in blood upto knees , a blissful joy .

95)amazing and impressive how this has become an obsession ; a civil war that ends up with utter destruction of one side with all necessary justification provided by the question of who started first .

96)the Ergenekon Conspiracies , the Gezi Events , the bloody election campaign of 2014 , the Disgrace of July 15th , ups and downs of the "Presidential System" , the utter callous disregard for equality in face of disaster reported everyday of these times .

97)it is not to win the right to raise the Right Arm in a certain style

98)but to create a lapse in judgement , personal loss , attrition before a victorious Ukrainian Army comes and saves them all .

99)naturally there are millions of people who would understand nothing from this . They imagine their enemy will be disarmed by all means and the enemy will be collecting apples or pears as we say it here , while the enemies are raped man and woman and killed . America fears something else .

100)so far every claim by future Nazis have been disproven by some means . A lot of beatings of Syrians while the worst documented looters are always people born in this country . The Syrian stealing a cellphone from a fireman while on live TV , standing just behind people giving some speech turned out to be a non-Syrian , owner of the said phone and some sort of a Goverment official in the Religious Affairs agency . He will sue the future Nazis in court at a later date . Means nothing . Everyday there is a new outrage , well before the previous one is unproven . Future Nazis no longer comment on things unproven .

101)a real good one involved the Syrian refugees who just crossed the border with their BMWs . Golden jewelry and all . Driving into the university level girls dormitory . 200 girls suddenly finding their rooms under invasion . Looting of personal stuff . Claims of harassment . Reports of girls forced to carry food trays . Syrians have professional s x workers with them , because there is also a tape of moans in the shower ...

102)football fans in Mersin started marching on the dormitory . Police cordoned off the area . The Syrians would be immediately expelled to Konya . Which didn't make a good impression on anyone from Konya . Finally a CHP MP toured the facility and reported nothing of the sort was happening there

103)future Nazis naturally called him a traitor , covering up for the invaders and stuff

104)remember the shots fired on Syrians ? That would have been a perfect ambush .

105)if the ambushers were not to be surprised in their conviction that the ambushed were walking light and few in number .

106)academicians they call themselves ...

107)uhm , Millenium Challenge 2002 as promised ...

108)now , if you are to read Wikipedia , this is a real big one . A "WW II force" sinking a carrier and more , killing about 20 000 American sailors and marines . Commander of the Reds gives up in middle of the exercises , the thing is re-booted and the Reds are rightly and truly thrashed . The enemy is Iran , because ı remember newspapers at the time and it was widely covered at the time or just a few years after the lnvasion of Iraq in 2003 .

109)if you are to believe "Eurasians" here , this is an exercise every NATO member is invited . Except Turkey . It starts on July 24th , 2002 as a direct attack on Montreaux treaty , ends with American victory on August 15th . Naturally nobody here remembers this is the anniversary of the seperatists . Academicians they call themselves . Involves some script that there is an earthquake in the Red country , because of 1999 . And 2023 , considering it is so famous again . America sends troops to help . "Jealousies" cause frictions , it turns into hostilities , America invades the Red country in 96 hours .


110)ı ended up downloading a 752 page long .pdf file during research , which is far too much to read at my advanced age . Though the echo chamber ı follow for news starts covering it in 2002 itself .

111)https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/sep/06/usa.iraq

112)https://warontherocks.com/2015/11/m...a-corrupted-military-exercise-and-its-legacy/

113)are two links ı got from there .

114)so , basically it appears there is a crazy but smart dictator in some Middle East country

115)some UN decision supposedly goes against the Red .

116)some coup happens . Will have to read that 752 pages to see if this is the case , or if there are many refugees , or if there is any earthquake . The US intervenes .

117)the commander of the Red Team tries to use his chemical stuff , is overridden .

118)of course nobody will come here and say Turks would never use chemical weapons in urban combat , especially in their own cities . EVER .

119)naturally the Red Military is defeated and the crazy but really smart dictator is saved after the evil Red Military is dealt with .

120)might or might not be that sometime later the old gang had a wargame of their own . Involving the players coming together around a table with the map of some foreign capital laid on it . Involving the leader of an hostile country , popularly known only with the first letter of his name , M ... Successfully ending with the hanging of M , upside down , in front of a diner . Might or might not be before their retirement . Can't say , didn't know them at the time , they won't tell .
 
^Aren't the millenium challenge battle-events supposed to last only a few days? (<100 hours iirc)

Not that I find it believable, but you didn't post any image/video of the almost super racists/panturanists expressing fear of it becoming reality :/
 
once again , am the guy who discovered that the US was planning to invade the 4 countries with sizeable Kurdish minorities with a period of 3 years . 03 Iraq , 06 Syria , '09 ... , 12 Iran . Must be in 2005 or so when the US troops crossed the border and attacked some little town in Syria .

and while it should have been another 30 , it is like impressive that the US wargamed a situation in its biggest evah exercise and still left the real smart dictator in place . In 2002 . Even used lazer planes . Like had ı been real at the time , they would ask to borrow my lazer planes to burn me ...

or the warontherocks thing really tells that the shooting part was indeed real and compressed in time . No , am not planning to lose to America in 96 hours . No , actually am not planning to lose .
 
Losing the war game was likely a good thing; how did the actual invasion go? The one that counted?

Spoiler :



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In 1839 the Russian army held war games at the site of the 1812 battle of Borodino. They had new fancy maps and some hindsight. The French lost decisively the second time around.
 
hmm , we lack those people here . Who would do explaining with some -ion or -ing as deflection or moving the goal posts , stuff ı don't have the haziest idea about . So , despite thing that ı haven't written up another 30 that would explain on how ı didn't think that the earthquake was caused by America ...

the idea revolves around how revolting was the idea that America conducted its largest exercise to threaten the Military here , the Turks even , so that such a great disaster on the scale of the 1999 Earthquake would actually lead into some fake thing ... that made not a single improvement or anything . Yes , ı know Joe Bidon is hurt or something and as if ı should care but the newspaper is from 1991 , the exercise was in 2002 and the map exercise was post 2002 and ended with M upside down . Like comes out offensive , like certainly , when you take them as a set of three words thing . Straight victories at the end . Can't tell which one is mentioned by the term , lost .
 
hmm , we lack those people here . Who would do explaining with some -ion or -ing as deflection or moving the goal posts , stuff ı don't have the haziest idea about . So , despite thing that ı haven't written up another 30 that would explain on how ı didn't think that the earthquake was caused by America ...

the idea revolves around how revolting was the idea that America conducted its largest exercise to threaten the Military here , the Turks even , so that such a great disaster on the scale of the 1999 Earthquake would actually lead into some fake thing ... that made not a single improvement or anything . Yes , ı know Joe Bidon is hurt or something and as if ı should care but the newspaper is from 1991 , the exercise was in 2002 and the map exercise was post 2002 and ended with M upside down . Like comes out offensive , like certainly , when you take them as a set of three words thing . Straight victories at the end . Can't tell which one is mentioned by the term , lost .
Dates don't matter and sometimes the future is the past? ^^
 
hmpftt , what has happened to your anti-Westernism ? You should be asking on how the Russians are muscle flexing to show they will SEAD their way in with Bears and Blackjacks if Ukraine blows up to a higher level .
 
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