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New Version - February 17th (2-17)

Discussion in 'Community Patch Project' started by Gazebo, Feb 17, 2019.

  1. Gazebo

    Gazebo Lord of the Community Patch

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    Hey all,

    New version inbound. Fewer balance changes than it looks this time around, mainly just cleaning up some loose ends and tidying up some of the more miserable player experiences (looking at you, Lizzy).

    Code:
    AI and Bugfixes
        Significant performance improvements for tactical AI
        Bugfixes and performance improvements for diplo AI, deal AI, and some smaller selections
        Github issue cleanup (thanks team!)
    
    New
        That part of the project where we start poaching modmods:
    [INDENT]    Two new additions to the auto-installer (optional - can be left unchecked if not desired):
    [INDENT](7a) An updated version of Promotion Icons by @Asterix Rage , now all promotions have unique and easily-identifiable icons. Amazing work!       [/INDENT]
             (7b)  An updated version of Promotion Viewer, thanks to @civplayer33 . Fully compatible with VP, has a button in the top panel next to events, etc. Big props! 
        Updated Communitas mapscript in CP based on latest forum version from @JMA2286. Excellent work![/INDENT]
    UI
        Smaller updates to the UI - standardizing fonts, fixing some loose ends, fixing missing combat indicators, etc.
    
    Balance
        Happiness
            The 'global median' mechanic for happiness replaced with an empire median
                Players are now only dealing with median unhappiness mechanics from their own cities
            Adjusted happiness value metrics to account for new system
                Empire: +5% needs per non-puppet city in empire (was 4)
                Puppets: 1:5 citizen:unhappy ratio (was 4)
                Pop: 10% (so +11% for every 10 citizens in a city, in essence) (was 10:10)
                Capital mod: now 15% (Was 25%)
                Tech mod: 75% (was 100%)
                The 'base' divisors for all yield tests are now 100 (Was 50 for half, now all 100)
        Religion
            Pantheon:
                God of War bumped to 225%, was 200%
                God of the Sea now +2food/+1faith, was +3 food
                God of Commerce/Wisdom now scale locally instead of empire-wide
                    God of Commerce scales 1faith:5gold
                    Goddess of Wisdom scales 1faith:4science
                    Both cap at half # of followers in city
            Follower:
                Culture from Inspiration now 1:3, was 1:2
        Buildings
            Reduced Tourism from TR end to 6 (was 10)
         
        Wonders
            National Wonders
                Removed maintenance from Tourist Center (??)
            Hagia Sophia
                Dropped base yields to +1faith, +2culture
        Civs
            England
                New UB: White Tower
                    Replaces National Intelligence Agency - same bonuses except:
                        +3 culture from Constable, Armory, Castle
                        +100science/gold from spy defense in the city
                        +100 science/gold from spy actions (+25 if an advanced action)
                        Free GW (Crown Jewels)
                    Available at Machinery
                New UA:
                    +1 Movement for Naval or embarked Units, and -25% Naval Unit [ICON_GOLD] Gold maintenance. Foreign [ICON_SPY] Spies operate 25% slower in owned Cities. [ICON_SPY] Spies are faster and operate one Rank higher than normal. Starts with a Spy.
            Arabia
                Bazaar base Gold now +4 (Was +5)
                GP bonus from Historic Event now +15% (was +20%)
            China
                Yields on era change reduced by 75% (Was 25%)
            Ottomans
                Dropped production bonus from UA
        Policies
            Statecraft
                TR bonus on Trade Confederacy now 25% for int'l routes, applies to any city
                Removed aberrant 25% internal route bonus from Trade Confederacy (was a clerical error)
        Techs
            Banking unlocks Advanced Actions for spies
        Promotions
            Renamed some lengthy-name promotions to work with new viewer
            Fixed some missing promotions for air and anti-air units
        Improvements
            Landmarks, when created, generate +1 happiness for the creator
        CSD
            Bumped the influence from Diplo units by +5 across the board, and +5 for each promotion
                Emissary: 40
                Envoy: 50
                Diplomat: 60
                Ambassador: 70
                Promotions now give +10, except Noble,which gives +15
            Great Diplomat now 100 influence, scaling with era
                
    Online as of 11:00pm EST. Not savegame compatible.

    Link: https://mega.nz/#F!DMsxkDYI!zSpR9CHpmAfWyIvMXaN3pw

    Cheers,
    Gazebo
     
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  2. Minh Le

    Minh Le Chieftain

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    Cool. Perfect time to start an England Playthrough :D
     
  3. ryanmusante

    ryanmusante Regular Supporter

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    Promotion Viewer, Promotion Icons and Communitas Map should be removed from Mods folder before installing? These are integrated into one of the VP dirs?
     
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  4. Asterix Rage

    Asterix Rage Warlord

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    Yes (7a) Promotion Icons for VP is the updated version of VP Promotion Icons 1.9 (VPPI) it replaces.
    All versions of VPPI (and Promotion Viewer) must be removed from MOD folder.
     
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  5. Tiber Septim

    Tiber Septim Chieftain

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    Thanks very much indeed for the hard work!

    Is it at all possible for those of us on existing campaigns to edit in only the fix for occupation happiness? Or is the fix itself something that would break saves? Cheers!
     
  6. Minh Le

    Minh Le Chieftain

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    God of Sea is 2 food 1 faith. The change note says 2 food 2 faith.
    Its much better than before though. I was able to found with just 3 cities :eekdance:
     
  7. Enrico Swagolo

    Enrico Swagolo Warlord

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    Thanks for the patch and especially for adding the modmods for vanilla. They did deserve to be included and it seems like a great idea.

    Will give England a try. The Whaito Tawa espionage values not scaling with era (patch notes imply so) is good, the building has a ton of yields anyway and too much Science would be bally on a civ that steals techs from the get-go. Seems like Fealty for fast Armoury/Castle is going to be very viable.
    The only thing I feel is an anti-synergy is the UA slowing down enemy spy actions. That + White Tower + Constabulary means the spies are slowed down to a crawl, meaning you won't really be getting that 100 science/gold much if at all because the opportunity to catch them in London will be much delayed. Granted, as England I can just forget the spy in the capital and be well off anyway, so it's probably a fine trade-off.

    I don't know if that's enough for Statecraft, I will probably still avoid it but I appreciate it being less capital start-heavy. A land-locked capital won't mean it's a no-no anymore.
     
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  8. BiteInTheMark

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    1. God of commerce, God of wisdom and Ancestor worship are now too similar. And there's no real reason to pick ancestor worship, if I get already 4 yields from God of commerce without any building and have a higher maximum of faith per follower/citizen.
    There's not one pantheon with a reversed ratio, which is generating yields from a defined amount of faith. Atleast one of them should be changed into that direction.

    2. I dislike the new England UB. 100 yields without era scaler is peanuts beyond renaissance, and 100 yields with scaler is far too much. It makes also no real sense to create a NW which is worse yield wise than the normal version (the normal NW gives 400 yields for spy actions, scaling with era)

    3. Chinas yields gets now cut by 75%? I thought 50% is fine?

    4. The changes to the diplo units are good, GD is now really worth the I stand usage.
     
  9. Enrico Swagolo

    Enrico Swagolo Warlord

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    1. Ancestor Worship provides more of valuable yields. 2Science 1Culture >>> 2 Gold 2 Faith, or 1 Science 1 Faith. It also doesn't require any specific buildings to have it's Faith be maximised. You will likely generate less Gold and Science than is required to have the optimal 1 per 2 output.

    2. The difference between WT and NIA is that NIA comes out when the game is already over, so the spy action yields don't matter. This one's 4 eras earlier. By the time NIA comes out, an average WT will have provided thousands of Science, Gold and Culture (if wide, and England should definitely go wide with this), faking elections, taking the lives of GPs and taking away Production, with the Spy and Spy rank bonus wreaking havoc upon those who weren't interested in trade agreements with England.

    With a super action occuring every 15 turns (UA might speed them) and you having 3 spies in Renaissance even with Fealty, that's 300G/S every 15 turns, + any potential yields from advanced actions. WT has effectively 20 base :c5science::c5gold: if you're behind. If you're ahead, yeah you aren't stealing no techs, you aren't taking no GWs and it'll be peanuts and maybe an equivalent of 5:c5gold::c5science: per turn total (unless faking elections in CS gives full 100?), but the bonus spy + the UA + imminent SOTL should work nicely at weakening your opponents.
     
  10. phantomaxl1207

    phantomaxl1207 Chieftain

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    Well, that is 1 way to normalize the disparity between Internal and External Trade Routes for the Ottoman. Removing Food wouldn't change much for them. I doubt they will need a buff to their UB as result. The Production loss from TR's will hurt only somewhat.
     
  11. Minh Le

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    The Ottoman was the biggest Wonder whoring civ in human hand because they can time those TRs and get production boost equal to 1 or 2 Great Engineer. The Science also help him getting the tech needed and he doesnt lack culture either. It made him the most OP civ in the game :)
     
  12. Rekk

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    Apparently not enough for any discussion in his thread.
     
  13. Minh Le

    Minh Le Chieftain

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    Idk, maybe not many people play him. I made an OCC playthrough using him and it was a very quick and easy game.
     
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  14. pineappledan

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    I think a lot of the balance discussion has moved to the playthroughs section, which is really exciting. It's like evidence-based reasoning and stuff.

    It will indeed be interesting to see the new White Tower in action. It does indeed put England in a weird situation w.r.t. the base NIA. The NIA gives 400:c5gold::c5science: on spy action, while White tower only gives 100:c5gold::c5science:. IMO, I think the instant yields from the NIA could be removed or reduced to 100:c5gold::c5science: so that this point of comparison doesn't become a problem.
     
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  15. Gazebo

    Gazebo Lord of the Community Patch

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  16. Bromar1

    Bromar1 Chieftain

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    Was inspiration overperforming? It did not seem very good even at 1:2
     
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  17. Minh Le

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    It was the strongest yield per pop at 1:2. Imagine you pick it as a progress civ when your cities have no other source of culture rather than the monument, this belief alone will triple your culture output.
     
  18. pineappledan

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  19. Gazebo

    Gazebo Lord of the Community Patch

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    Gotta watch out for kids you picked on middle school...

    G
     
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  20. Stalker0

    Stalker0 Baller Magnus

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    Static Bonuses are only a portion of the culture a Progress civ produces, it gets tons of instant bonuses from buildings, and capitals always have a lot more culture due to various factors. I don't disagree with the nerf to inspiration, but lets not oversell the issue. Just because a city makes +2 static culture, does not mean a +4 bonus is a "tripling of culture".
     
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